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Author Topic:   The Fate Of Jesus Followers
iceage 
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Message 42 of 47 (363804)
11-14-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Phat
11-14-2006 7:41 AM


Re: heading Off Topic?
No, but I think thats its time that believers were given some respect as to what they have felt and experienced.
The Iranian leader has had mystical experiences - he has had visitations and has been wrapped in a glowing light which no one else in the room experienced. Do you respect and give credibility to what he has experienced and felt? When he launches an attack resulting from his experiences do we consider the possibility the message may have been from god?
There are many quacks and flat earth (YEC) people out here, and ridicule is deserved for them.
Now I am confused. Your demand respect for your own unsubstantiated experiences and feelings and then scoff at others who believe in things that spring from their own faith, internal experiences, and feelings. Just how do we sort this out? What is maybe true and what is worthy of ridicule?
What those of you who have never met God (impartation, calling, or born-again experience) don't understand is that many of these stories and legends....while elaborated for effect...are probably true.
A born-again experience or impartation contributes absolutely nothing in the way to verify or validate "these stories and legends". There is no connection.
Of course, I may never convince you of that, but I take offense to having my inner experiences of religion and belief dismissed as unprovable. They most certainly are provable in my mind and heart.
I think you just put "inner experiences of religion" and psychosis on the same scaffolding?
As for the fates of the Apostles? I believe that they suffered persecution...it says that they would in fact suffer for Christs sake.
They no doubt did. Were they martyred? We don't know, best to leave at that.

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