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Old testament was mentionened, with an explanation and an encouragement to go see for yourself. Go see for yourself why the Jews were enjoined to lay waste to the eight tribes of Canaan.

congratulations. Well-said and well-appreciated. Thank you.
George
The battle of armageddon, fire from heaven, middle east, but you know all that.

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"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

This fallacy goes something like this:Real Christians are good,
What about the Inquisition, manifest destiny, witch-hunts, anti-abolition?
Oh, they weren't good, so they weren't true christians.Thing is, all those groups thought they were 'good' and true christians. All those groups claimed the bible backed them up. Who decides who is a true christian?Let me take some bible versus out of context for you all, because I think my point was not heeded: At least islam implores that innocents be spared Cuz god is on your side! Damn Zionists. You know, the Israelis still believe this crap. Maybe we should nuke 'em all eh Jubela? Ooooooooo..... Now thats civilized! So how many sex slaves did Mohammed have? Cuz it says here that not only the horny Israelite army got 32,000, but they performed some human sacrifices as well! Halleluya!If Moses and his gang of a million thieves wasn't a pirate, I don't know what was.Alright, now lets look at some nice Koranic verses shall we?Now mind you, these are actual verses from the ACTUAL koran, and are sayings of Mohammed! I particularly like that one. Sounds like Mohammed doesn't like that ridiculous christian ideology of 'yer all gonna burn in hadeeeez!' HOLY SH*T!!! Did he just say listen to Jesus!??? I thought these were a bunch of crazed fanatical heathens??? Thats terrorist talk! You could learn a thing or two if you actually read the Koran Jubela. Couldn't have said it better myself. Wow, what a sensible rule. This man is a terrorist? What about all those verses in the bible giving laws like stone a rape victim? Or kill the girl without a hymen?Here Mohammed is issuing a very wise statement about how to deal with murder.And finally I would like to dedicate this one to my nice, close-minded, fundie friends: Oh, and before you start spilling crap about "this was at a specific time, so it was ok, blah blah blah"Realize that this is basically saying that your god essentially gave orders to:a) Take sex slaves.
b) Loot.
c) Kill women, babes, and children.
d) Human sacrifices to him.Which basically means that your religious forbears are much more guilty of perpetrating atrocity in gods name than anything you can dredge up against Mohammed.If you wanna know what's filthy, and ugly about a religion. Its the idiots who justify every horrible action they do by it. That, my friend, is the problem.This message has been edited by Yaro, 07-31-2004 10:43 PM

Thanks Pecos. Your post #147 was on the money also. The justification for the conquest of Caanan will, of course be looked upon by our counterparts as equal to Islamic terrorism, but as Jubela has stated, this was a unique order by the true god, Jehovah and is not indicative of continuing terroristic world conquest as is the case with Islam. If Jehovah is indeed the one true God, and if the Bible is authentically his supernatural book, the true God is justified in such action.Our counterparts should also be reminded that the true and just god, Jehovah caused the death of scores of thousands of his own people, Israel for practicing the same or similar abominable things which the Caananites were punished for.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-31-2004 10:45 PM

Pecos,By Christian Bible do you mean the New Testament? It was my understanding that this quote from Exodus is what the witch hunters used to justify their actions. But it's been a long time since I read about those times. I used the King James for historic reasons and because I've got the impression that conservative Christians are suspicious of other translations. peace,
lfen

Dear Buzsaw,On that bright Tuesday Morning, I was chatting with my boss on Yahoo Messenger and listening to NPR. Airplane ? The WTC!! "Must be an accident with a small craft." My boss is an ex civil aviation pilot. He said "Nope! Just showed it on tv, an airliner!!! {censored}I admit it. I turned on my idiot box, and I raised my hands above my head and said GDI!!!!!!!!!!!! And with good reason. Not just the wasted lives of thousands of innocents... We had a deal in the works for cooperative marketing of our product with a major market dominating firm with 600 North American outlets serving our target market. We blessed near had it made, and that deal instantly vaporized. Not only that, but our phone quit ringing!!! No calls; no sales. Months of 15 hour days went down the proverbial drain. (I am on comission).At that time, I had just become active on Netscape's Mid East Tension board, which is now defunct. There were about four of us who knew which end is up, a nearly equal number of the enemy & their supporters, and a dozen or so who were indecisive and under educated.By the grace of God, several who were better informed than I shared links to vital resources, and I increased my knowledge quickly. Since that time I have been trying to share some of those resources with others.Unfortunately, there are far too many whose eyes are scaled over, whose hearts are hardened, ears are stopped and necks are stiffened. They rely on maudlin emotion and reject all factual information. Thus it is on Netscape's U.S. and the War on Terror and Terrorism boards. I frequently post an ahadith or ayat which clearly typifies the true character of Islam along with a few simple questions whose answers I have already posted explicitly or implicitly. Of course, no one dares to answer those questions, so I keep reposting just in case they might be discovered by a newcomer to the boards.Hold onto your keyboard; keep a tight grip! Little Green Footballs has a weblog where there is a majority of comment writers who know the score. Perhaps there is still some hope for this society.

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There are Christian groups who'd ban just about anything that comes to mind and or defies logic. They have little understanding of the fact that they cannot force Christ on anyone, should not, must not, and shall answer for the folly. And there is a whole slew of them 'somewhere out there', from those keep your distance, from all who would vex your spirit and try to confuse.

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No, PG, ALL Christians, not just a few, but ALL are extremists looking to forcibly convert everyone in the world, so we should just kill all the Christians as cheaply and quickly as possible.I mean, look at the KKK. Look at those Christian Militia groups. Look at the Clinic bombers and doctor murderers.

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When are you emigrating to Nigeria?

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Unresponsive and irrelevant.You made the following claim. I have put in bold the important part that I countered: .I pointed out that there are many ways in which the US is not, in fact, far superior to all the rest.I even left one out; we no longer have the constitutional right to habeus corpus. The SCOTUS just ruled that it is not unconstitutional to hold an American citizen without trial and without representation for as long as the government wants to hold them.Sounds like a slide into facism to me.Please retract or correct your false claim the the US's political and economic system is "far superior to all the rest".PS If I were to emigrate anywhere, I would want to move to Scandinavia. They have the best overall standard of living in the world for their citizens. Pay particular attention to the bolded part regarding the number of people in poverty in Norway compared to the US:http://www.scandinavica.com/culture/society/UNreport.htm

Dear Buzsaw,There is an ancient Arab saying: "Me against my brother, my brother and I against our cousin, my brother, our cousin and I against a stranger, my brother, our cousin the stranger and I against a Jew!" Islam knows how to unite; blood is thicker than rivalry.I confess that my faith is not as strong as yours, and my patience is entirely lacking. I am intolerant of intolerance and not willing to have our government sit idly by while the enemy picks us off one by one nor by hundreds nor by thousands.Our enemy is dedicated, implacable and patient. It believes that it is strong and we are weak, physically and more especially morally & mentally. By ignoring a generation of attacks; by indeciseive waffling and ineffective meddling in the Mid East, we have proven them correct. We need to make them wrong, and prove them wrong. I regret that there is only one way to do that.Step 1: find someone who has influence and contact to induce Mel Gibson to dramatize The Prophet of Doom and Tea With Terrorists. They should be given global distribution both as feature length films of the highlights and series with increased detail. That is the way to arouse, motivate & unite our kindred forces and to maximize apostasy among the enemy.Time is not on our side. Time is the only obstruction between our enemies and effective means of delivering WMD. We can not wait. We need to reduce their numbers through apostasacy and eliminate the rest.How many Terrorism vicitms are you willing to tolerate and overlook? 1000 per year? 100? One per month? Israel has been suffering Terrorism for more than 56 years without relief. Are you willing to take that? My threshhold of tolerance is zero!!!I have, in the most profane, obscene & disrespectful terms, communicated to the Whitehouse my demand that Mecca be designated as our default target for retaliation in the event of any further attack on our homeland. Likewise I have communicated my demand that one Muslim Terrorist prisoner be sumarily executed for every hostage for every hour until each hostage is released unharmed and 100 be sumarrily executed for each hostage they kill.I urge and exhort all lovers of life & liberty to follow suit!!!Terrorism is not something we should tolerate. It is something we must eliminate!!! It must be eliminated at the source: Islam.

Jubela rants: The terrorist could ask for nothing better. Acts such as that would be more than they could possibly hope for. Osama himself could not have come up with a better plan.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Just where, exactly, in this veil of tears, are Christians marching into battle behind the Cross of Christ?Where are they fragging pagan temples? Where are they dispatching teenagers with pipe bomb vests? Where are they raping robbing and pillaging villages and regions? Where are they hijacking airliners and flying them into office towers?A handful of nut cases shooting abortionists and planting bombs are not the equivilent of tens of thousands of graduates of Usama's training camps!!!Jesus Christ never advocated warfare. He never sanctified warfare. He never engaged in warfare. Muhammad did, and he commanded his followers to continue those actions after his death.There is a difference of scope, scale & intensity. There is a difference of doctrine. These diferences are real, they are clear, and they are dispositive. The moral equivalence you propound is entirely falacious and without merit.

Your tactic is called diversion. I am not biting the bait. We are confronted by a violent ideology which seeks the destruction of our society; which seeks to kill or enslave us because we do not believe what they do, and because they want to obtain our wealth without earning it.The survival of western civilization depends on how and how effectively we react to the very real threat posed by Islam.Comparative economics/comparative politics are not germane to this discussion.

Some years ago, an Arab Terrorist group took a Russian hostage. The Russians captured a member of the Terrorist's family and sent him home in a large number of small boxes. More than a decade passed before they took another Russian.They understand death. It is the only language for communicating with them.

The creator is God of love, he is also chief judge and executioner. Many fall over the latter attributes believing that love could not possibly express itself in justice. They would, however, argue, that love without discipline as applied to their children, for instance, is not love at all.
And you are correct about the punishment Israel received for apostasy. Warning upon warning unheeded. I spanked my children upon occasion.
Among Christians, your understanding is rare. Many cannot argue a justified God, much less understand the difference between Jehovah and Allah.

Not true. Urban Legend.But immaterial anyway.Even if true, the key point is TERRORIST. Not Muslim, terrorist.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion