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johnfolton 
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Message 46 of 140 (379543)
01-24-2007 3:23 PM
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01-24-2007 12:29 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Earthquakes have been on the increase, unless you can come up with a chart factoring all earthquakes 6< not just 6> showing they are not on the rise.
Do you read your own link? It clearly said that the reason for the increase in the number of earthquakes recorded is proliferation of measuring devices.
If you go back a century however the chart they used in respect to an increase in overall earthquakes was from 1970 to 2005. This shows a tremendous increase in overall earthquake activities.
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We continue to hear from many people throughout the world that earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years.
A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications.
But in a review of their charts showing total earthquake activity for the 1970's through the 1990's, there has been a tremendous increase in overall earthquake activity.
http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/earthquakes/

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Message 47 of 140 (379553)
01-24-2007 4:06 PM
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01-24-2007 3:23 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
charley's source writes:
A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year.
They make absolutely no attempt to quantify the "partial explanation" of the increase in number of seismograph stations. They also did not mention the *increase* in sensitivity of these devices allowing the detection in remote area.
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
Associating earthquakes or hurricane's with God's wrath is such incredible primitive thinking. This is the same superstitious thought processes that invoked primitive tribes to sacrifice humans to appease god's anger.
We now know why Earthquakes, Tsunamis and Hurricanes occur and they are completely natural processes.
Is God more angry at people who live in subduction zones or fault lines? Why is God unable to make earthquakes happen in places like Northern Canada or West Africa?
From the wiki on earthquakes....
Earthquake - Wikipedia
wiki writes:
The number of seismic stations has increased from about 350 in 1931 to many thousands today. As a result, many more earthquakes are reported than in the past because of the vast improvement in instrumentation (not because the number of earthquakes has increased).
That is 350 to many thousands and the modern equipment is much more sensitive!
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Message 48 of 140 (379560)
01-24-2007 4:38 PM
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01-24-2007 4:06 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
We now know why Earthquakes, Tsunamis and Hurricanes occur and they are completely natural processes.
I've seen nothing to rule out the Angela Wu factor.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 49 of 140 (379575)
01-24-2007 6:01 PM
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01-24-2007 3:23 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Charley:
But in a review of their charts showing total earthquake activity for the 1970's through the 1990's, there has been a tremendous increase in overall earthquake activity.
And it's no coincidence.
Have you seen Angela Wu's waistline lately?
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Message 50 of 140 (379577)
01-24-2007 6:20 PM
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01-24-2007 6:01 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Archer writes:
Charley:
But in a review of their charts showing total earthquake activity for the 1970's through the 1990's, there has been a tremendous increase in overall earthquake activity.
And it's no coincidence.
Have you seen Angela Wu's waistline lately?
I suspect you'd find a tighter correlation with the increasingly obese American population overall and the ever-larger vehicles they chose to drive in the 1970 period forward.
I suspect that if you looked at the time of day of earthquakes, you could correlate the East Coast rush hours with earth events, as the American Butt hits the SUV.
Angela may be complicit, but it takes a fat nation to move the world.

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johnfolton 
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Message 51 of 140 (379632)
01-24-2007 9:52 PM
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01-24-2007 4:06 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
These charts include lesser quakes below 3 so it appears earthquakes greater than 3 would discount bogus earthquakes in an increase of earthquakes.
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html

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Message 52 of 140 (379651)
01-24-2007 11:27 PM
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01-24-2007 9:52 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
iceage writes:
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
charley writes:
These charts include lesser quakes below 3 so it appears earthquakes greater than 3 would discount bogus earthquakes in an increase of earthquakes.
Charley I do not know what you are trying to say - what is a bogus earthquake? Can you clarify.
Again the increase in the reported earthquakes are explained by the fact that we now have more and better equipment....
USGS writes:
In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years.
This would explain quite nicely why the larger earthquakes are not increasing because those were easily detected and from very far away.
Why do you and your reference site choose to ignore the obvious? There is an increase in small quakes because we looking for them.
In addition, you did not address why God only chooses to punish those that live in subduction zones or on fault lines.
Earthquakes happen for very understandable reasons!! Why resort to bronze age notions - it shines a very unfavorable light upon your brand of faith.
What about thunder storms are they a sign from god also? There are probably an "increase" in recorded lighting strikes (since we now have better ways of detecting them)

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 53 of 140 (379670)
01-25-2007 12:41 AM
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01-24-2007 6:20 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
omni:
it takes a fat nation to move the world.
Then maybe Charley can explain what gripe the Supreme Being has with Taiwan. We don't bother anyone in the Middle East about real estate, we eat sensibly and take the Metro. Yet we endure 4-8 direct hits from cyclonic storms every year. And the earthquakes--aiya.
I mean, look at this:
Taiwan epicenters 1963-1998
(detail from map, above)
Why does Washington DC get such light treatment by comparison?
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : messing with graphics.

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Message 54 of 140 (379676)
01-25-2007 1:06 AM
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01-25-2007 12:41 AM


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i can't find that invitation thread, so I'm asking you to drop a line here, if you don't mind.
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johnfolton 
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Message 55 of 140 (379717)
01-25-2007 10:36 AM
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01-24-2007 11:27 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
iceage writes:
Putting numbers into a chart proves nothing. Can you point to one scientific paper claiming that earthquakes are increasing in frequency?
charley writes:
These charts include lesser quakes below 3 so it appears earthquakes greater than 3 would discount bogus earthquakes in an increase of earthquakes.
Charley I do not know what you are trying to say - what is a bogus earthquake? Can you clarify.
Again the increase in the reported earthquakes are explained by the fact that we now have more and better equipment....
If you look at all earthquakes it suggests an increase in earth quake activity because for the last 20 years or more we have had more and better equipment.
If you look at just the quakes greater than 6 it does not show an increase in earth quake activity if you look at the quakes greater than 3 it suggests an increase in earth quake activity.
We've had better equipment its not the early 1900's and yet you all say we can not take the evidence seriously.
The timing of the California quake interestingly happened within 24 hours in respect to land for Peace.
The 24 hour response in hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes in respect to America's siding with the terrorists and not Israel. Israel is Gods inheritance and its not negotiable, it brings on the wrath of God.

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Message 56 of 140 (379724)
01-25-2007 11:07 AM
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01-25-2007 12:41 AM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Then maybe Charley can explain what gripe the Supreme Being has with Taiwan. We don't bother anyone in the Middle East about real estate, we eat sensibly and take the Metro. Yet we endure 4-8 direct hits from cyclonic storms every year. And the earthquakes--aiya.
It might well be that Taiwanians as a nation are heathens? It says he will judge among the heathen and make the enemies of the Lord his footstool. Whether or not the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib it will be before the great bowls of wrath.
The world has not seen nothing yet, its all about prophecy. Will the Worlds idols save them or will some turn from their idols to the Living God that can and wishes to save them from death to life everlasting.
Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psalm 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies: he shall wound the heads over many countries.
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 57 of 140 (379728)
01-25-2007 11:23 AM
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01-25-2007 11:07 AM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Charley:
It might well be that Taiwanians as a nation are heathens?
You may have a point there. Chiang Kai-Shek was a Methodist.
So are Dubya and Laura Bush, and Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton is Baptist, as was Jimmy Carter. Dubya Bush's parents are Episcopalians.
Maybe the goddess Matsu is sending you a message, Charley.
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Message 58 of 140 (379754)
01-25-2007 12:21 PM
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01-25-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
Charley:
It might well be that Taiwanians as a nation are heathens?
You may have a point there. Chiang Kai-Shek was a Methodist.
So are Dubya and Laura Bush, and Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton is Baptist, as was Jimmy Carter. Dubya Bush's parents are Episcopalians.
Maybe the goddess Matsu is sending you a message, Charley.
George W Bush last year sided with Israel. Carter whined about us supporting Israel. And last year and quess what no hurricanes, were still in global warming. The sun has not cooled the oceans are causing global warming yet not massive hurricanes last year.
We can only thank God that he gave George the wisdom to side with Israel.
America has a man of integrity in the oval office. He's not a liar like Clinton who perjured himself, was impeached etc... People always said that Hiliary wore the pants in that relationship.
Perhaps the problem is the idols from Asia that have permeated into our country since the 1960's. Is Taiwanians bringing judgment on America by all the new age religions that come from Asia.
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Many other parallels can be listed when comparing King Ahab and Clinton. In early 1992, I had no clue this pattern would play out in such detail. As an additional note, Jezebel continued to be in political power for some time after her husband's demise. In fact, when she reappeared in the narrative, she was in the ivory house surrounded by eunuchs in 2 Kings 9:30-32 (eunuchs are similar to security personnel). Years ago, I told my wife, "If this pattern follows through, Mrs. Clinton will be elected to a high office after her husband has left the White House." Today she is a senator representing New York and, according to reports, she will likely run for president in the future."
http://www.geocities.com/...sions/1992ahabjezebelclinton.htm

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Message 59 of 140 (379781)
01-25-2007 1:01 PM
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01-25-2007 12:21 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
We can only thank God that he gave George the wisdom to side with Israel.
... as Israel follows through on its policy of withdrawing from settlements and working toward a two-state solution?
Perhaps the problem is the idols from Asia that have permeated into our country since the 1960's. Is Taiwanians bringing judgment on America by all the new age religions that come from Asia.
Like Methodism?
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Message 60 of 140 (379834)
01-25-2007 3:24 PM
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01-25-2007 1:01 PM


Re: Gods fury/ Placing blame
We can only thank God that he gave George the wisdom to side with Israel.
... as Israel follows through on its policy of withdrawing from settlements and working toward a two-state solution?
Lebanons willful violation of Oslo its obvious it should be returned to Israel. George Bush Sr. , Clinton, and George W. Bush was about peace for land. Would it not be better for the whole world if we just left Gods land to Sarah's son. The muslims are not the sons of the free woman and are not the heirs to Gods land. The Lords portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
The muslims are liars because they willfully defied their portion of Oslo agreement from its very beginnings. The United Nations too were willfully ignorant and its simply time to reject the Oslo Peace agreement.
Will the muslims give back this land, or will they bring on the wrath of God, etc...
KJV Deuteronomy 32:9: For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
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Whither Israel: After Lebanon And Gaza? Finally, Time To Reject A Suicidal 'Peace Process'
Incontestably the PA/PLO ’ and now especially Hamas ’ are guilty of multiple material breaches of the basic Oslo Accords.
In ordering the recent IDF operations in Gaza and Lebanon, Prime Minister Olmert has understood the need to act correctly and heroically. Let him now understand that the so-called Peace Process was never anything more than an Arab/Islamic Trojan Horse, and that Israel's survival will never be delivered as a gift.
http://www.tzemachmusic.com/fyi/docs/beres/20060927.htm
Perhaps the problem is the idols from Asia that have permeated into our country since the 1960's. Is Taiwanians bringing judgment on America by all the new age religions that come from Asia.
Like Methodism?
No, I was thinking like Buddhism, Taoism, Bahaism, Islam, Tienlichiao (from Japan), folk dieties, among others,etc...
Taiwan's Religion
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