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Author Topic:   Is Faith Harmless?
mike the wiz
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Message 17 of 20 (154160)
10-29-2004 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by MrHambre
10-29-2004 7:46 AM


Re: Critical Thinking
But faith focuses on the higher. With many people's faith - they rely and trust on God because no critical thinking or other humans can help sometimes. Faith is a trust in God - hope against hope, by the nature of faith alone we are required to ignore the realities of some situations. For example, Christ said beware of the yeast of the pharisees, - when the disciples had no bread. Therefore - God is higher than any man's critical thinking.
So - when we are an hungred - in the bible - it is wise to have faith in God etc...Critical thinking is the lower, it's the best of the lower beings. " My thoughts are higher than your thoughts and my ways are higher than your ways " is what God says - therefore - critical thinking comes under "self-righteousness" to us - in that, some of you unbelievers think you can out-think God.
"Moderate" believers are those who have allowed the modern world to intrude on their perspective, at the expense of their faith
Erm - the modern world? We all accept the reality of the present age - and therefore, are as aware as you that we breathe oxygen - but the modern world isn't our master like it is yours. All your sayings are "new" - but Christ's words of peace shall never pass.
Listen - I'll think critically - but like the frog says - they're not mutually exclusive. None believer's don't own thought.
--> I don't force you to accept Jesus - even he said the choice is ours, and these minorities of extremists are clearly fruitcakes of a higher level.
Don't forget - 90 odd% of the world are believers - probably some of your relatives - and maybe crashfrog's parents, and the nice girl next door. Most, if you're honest Hambre - are harmless.

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mike the wiz
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Message 19 of 20 (154237)
10-29-2004 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by MrHambre
10-29-2004 3:02 PM


Re: Critical Thinking
How am I loading the guns for the fanatics if I disassociate myself with them?
If people believe that there are big magic beings who feel human emotions, that these beings reproduce and sacrifice their young, that people who believe in these things never die, and that there's a magic place waiting for these believers, I think it's safe to say that this adds up to less-than-complete acknowledgement of currently understood realities
MrHambre, have you forgotten Oook's comment? He said that we can believe what we want if we don't take it out on others. Since Christ gives a choice as to whether you believe or not - I fail to see how my beliefs need judging by you. Since you don't have a scriptural inkling - I doubt you can make any theological conclusions about Christ - and your "rational" thinking and unbelief is but a recent second in a day of belief. Most of the people on this planet have faith in something other than their five senses. For us to believe that we "don't know it all" is highly rational in my book - and you can quote me on that.
My point about believers (and you seem to agree) is that your beliefs are somehow considered above criticism. Your deity can take on any form convenient for you, and elude any conceivable argument or attempt to make belief in the concept rational and realistic.
Listen - you can criticise my beliefs all you want - and indeed - ahem, you just have. But how is having faith convenient?
Example - I'm hungry and dying. Is faith practical and convenient - infact it's tough - darn tough in a situation like that.
I realise your knowledge concerning faith is limited - so your reply of intolerance is to be expected.
You quote your holy books as if we're supposed to accept the wisdom as given, but then you conveniently 'interpret' any part of scripture that is obviously mistaken, outdated, or appalling in its bigotry
Can you provide a quote from me, to back up this assertion? There is many places where interpretation is needed, it is purposeful - Christ himself spoke in parables so that certain people wouldn't understand. This is NOT a convenience, and no evil is justified as JESUS SPOKE PLAINLY about how to treat others.
"Outdated" - as in - During this present age, Mr Hambre thinks he is king of the morals - yet he only understands things according to the age he lives in - and the laws he believes in were different yesterday and will be different tomorrow - and what will he call this - evolving morals? Hmmmmmmmm.
Listen - we tell it how it is - the unescapable truth. Since you believe in this "indifference" - your bizarre morals don't surprise me. I suppose if something innocent is killed - would you justify it with this "indifference". Indeed, are you harmless?

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