Ark of the Covenant

Surely this is incorrect NJ? You may wish to check this out too! The Babylonians plundered Israel about 586 BCE.It is likely that the Ark was housed in the Temple unitl it was destroyed by the babylonians. However, keep in mind that there is no external evidence for the existence of the Ark, and there's also no archaeological evidence of Solomon's temple either.You may wish to check out Ron wyatt's site, he claims to have seen the Ark and photographed it, but the pictures didn't develop properly!http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ark-of-the-covenant.htm

It made the journey from Sinai under Moses.David brought it from Kiriath-jearim.David wasn't born when the Ark left Sinai 450 years or so earlier. M\ybe I read it wrong but it looks like you said it was about 1000BCE.However, from about the time of 1000 BC, it disappears and is not mentioned in the texts that were to follow. Interestingly, the Babylonians invaded during that time and were reputed to have plundered Israel completely.I thought during that time was related to the time you gave?Also I was talking about Solomon's Temple, the one it was housed in.

Hi,I am very familiar with the Mesha Stele and I don't see any mention of any Temple in it.Just because there's no extant evidence for the Temple or the Ark doesn't mean that they didn't exist, just that we don't have any physical evidence for them.Personally, regarding the Ark, I don't believe there was such a thing because of the wealth of contrary archaeological evidence to the events that the Ark was supposed to have been present in, add in the obvious fictional tales (such as the impossible figure of 50,070 that God murdered because they saw the Ark)and I would conclude that certainly the references to the Ark's early days are untrue.It may well be that the Ark was constructed early in the period where Israel emerged from within Palestine, and could well be around 1000 BCE as there is evidence of a central polity arising then, after this the early tales could have been invented about the history of the Ark.Brian.

My friend has asked me to help him out at his bar today so I will post a more detailed reply tomorrow or tuesday.But I feel I need to comment on the house of David in the Mesha Stele.It is debatable if it even mentions House of David, and if it did it would more than likely be a dynasty rather than a place.The House of David cannot be Solomon's Temple as God strictly forbid David to build it, the job was given to Solomon.Brian.

Yet you continue to use the erroneous argument that the Bible is this great accurate document!Then you have the audacity to tell Jar to open other threads on these topics when I and others are still awaiting responses to the posts that have shown you how greatly limited your knowledge of the ANE actually is!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus, only fundy can be so dense.Brian.

Yes, you are making an unsupported declaration, which is meaningless. Jar was pointing out that the Bible hasn’t stood up to scrutiny, and is totally relevant to this discussion as you are using the accuracy of the history in the Bible as an argument to support the likely existence of the Ark. I didn’t say on this thread.But when you trotted out this same unsupported statement in another thread I responded and demonstrated that your claim is BS.Arguments such as “There is no question as to whether or not David was an actual figure in human history ”, or “They don't have anachronisms or even hints of such. , do demonstrate a lack of research on your part. So I Imagine that Jar 9and myself) see it as our duty to objective research to point out that your persistent claim of historical accuracy for the Bible is simply your opinion and is not based on any research.I am still awaiting a reply that would give your opinion about the accuracy of the Bible a little bit of credibility.Now, when someone doesn’t reply to a message it could be that they admit that they don’t have any answers, or it could be that they just haven’t got around to constructing a reply yet, or maybe they cannot be arsed replying. But, regardless of what the reason is it seems weird to keep using the same argument when it has been pointed out to you how inaccurate the Bible is! You'd be better going to a decent library and turning some pages.Brian.

let's imagine for a moment that Moses was a real person, what date is 'the time of Moses'?When was Moses supposed to have lived? Even when the Bible tells you that Jeremiah hid the Ark in a cave:2 maccabees 1-8 1: One finds in the records that Jeremiah the prophet ordered those who were being deported to take some of the fire, as has been told,
2: and that the prophet after giving them the law instructed those who were being deported not to forget the commandments of the Lord, nor to be led astray in their thoughts upon seeing the gold and silver statues and their adornment.
3: And with other similar words he exhorted them that the law should not depart from their hearts.
4: It was also in the writing that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God.
5: And Jeremiah came and found a cave, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense, and he sealed up the entrance.
6: Some of those who followed him came up to mark the way, but could not find it.
7: When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: "The place shall be unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy.
8: And then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated." Apparently it is going to remain hidden until old yahweh gathers His people together.God told ron Wyatt that He would allow Ron to show the Ark to the world when the time was right. it is difficult to see ron having that honour now.Brian.

And the KJV describes Moses' reed basket as an ark.And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes I have been told by some Christians that Jesus is the Ark of the New Covenant, but I haven't seen any justification for this in the NT.Brian.

That would be Aaron's budding rod?Brian.

It seems that everything except the tablets had been removed, if 1 Kings 8:9 is accurate that is: There was nothing in the ark except the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt. I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where the manna and rod were removed. Perhaps the stories come from two different traditions?Brian.