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Message 39 of 64 (256215)
11-02-2005 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2005 9:17 AM


iano
If every arrangement of atoms/energy at any point in time is inevitably the result of some prior arrangement then we can go back until we arrive at the initial conditions which set it all off. These initial conditions can be picked arbitarily. 1 second ago, 1 year ago, a million years ago. It doesn't matter. At whatever point we draw a line, all subsequent arrangements of atoms;/energy were going to be whatever they transpired to be.
Unfortunately that is not the exact case of things. At less than the planck time of 10 -43 sec the laws of physics no longer apply and there is no "determinent" of the way in which the universe will unfold or even if a universe does unfold. I made mention of this sort of temporal bias to Guidosoft in another thread and at that time.
In that thread I used an example of a golf game. If you hit a ball down a fairway try to pick out the precise point at which the ball will come to rest. Of all the possible places that ball could land as a result of the forces that are possibly involved any landing point is possible within the strictures set by those forces.
Yet the forces themselves have no prior agenda set aside that will cause them to act in a certain way at a cetain time. Each of those possibilities are as likely as any other before the event but of course after the event the probability is equal to 1 or determined as you in retrospect are equating it.
Thus your ball is free to move into the sand pit or water or if you are skilled enough at controlling the forces you have command over as well as being able to read the other forces level of involvement as well you may be capable of sinking a hole in one to which I would immediately say PHHHFFFTTT !!! Beginners luck.

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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