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Believing in God, But Not Literally

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Message 36 of 59 (174139)
01-05-2005 2:29 PM

Reply to: Message 35 by robinrohan
01-05-2005 2:21 PM

Re: Strawman Tactics

This is the childlike version of religious belief that I was talking about. A 5 year old might "believe" with no evidence but no grown up would unless they are stupid or crazy.

Well you said it! Please present evidence that any religion is valid or that any god(s) exist. There doesn't see to be any real evidence, just lots of opinions and faith.

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Message 41 of 59 (174149)
01-05-2005 2:53 PM

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01-05-2005 2:37 PM

Re: Strawman Tactics

If by "real evidence" you mean the non-scientific sort, I will do that but I am not going to waste my time on close-minded people who are just here to mock religious belief.

I'm not close minded and I'm not here to mock religious beliefs, I just truly don't understand how an educated adult person can possible be religious. Maybe I just don't have a religion gene or maybe I'm just more rational and less emotional than most. I just don't know. Religion (IMO) is literally irrational. Non-scientific evidence isn't valid for building rational or logical arguments with.

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Message 45 of 59 (174167)
01-05-2005 3:42 PM

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01-05-2005 3:21 PM

Re: Strawman Tactics

Somebody is offered a new job and he has to make a decision whether to leave his old job and take the new one. He examines all the "evidence" and makes a decision. Are you saying that this is an irrational procedure?

Yes, to a point. Most people make decisions like that based somewhat on emotionals and somewhat on rational thought, that is what it is to be human. In you example there isn't necessarily just evidence going into the mix, there is how he 'feels' about the job, the people, the location, etc. These aren't evidence, they're emotions.

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Message 51 of 59 (174208)
01-05-2005 7:05 PM

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01-05-2005 6:59 PM

Re: Back on Track?

They are criticizing a cartoon-version of religious beleif which is what they remember from their childhood, perhaps.

Well then, please enlighten us as to what an 'adult' religion is. Does it mean to transcend the organized religions dogmas and superstition to form one's own view of god or something to that effect?

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Message 53 of 59 (174214)
01-05-2005 8:16 PM

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Re: Back on Track?

I'm not sure I'm qualified enough to talk about "adult religion" but perhaps I might start a new topic and give it a try.

Please do start a new topic if you have the time. I for one think it would be very interesting.

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