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jar
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Message 89 of 321 (107198)
05-10-2004 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by riVeRraT
05-10-2004 3:27 PM


Evolution if it is correct would prove the Bible wrong, no?
No, the Theory of Evolution does not prove the Bible wrong, but it does show that the Bible should not be taken literally. Ofcourse, most Christians do not need Evolution to know that. The Bible is full of Parables and stories that were meant to teach a religious, moral or social lesson.
For example, when Jesus tells of the Faithful Servant it does not matter if the story is true or something he made up to illustrate the point.
It does not matter if the Good Samaritan existed or not, the point is to teach a lesson.
Then if there was a God how would we know who he is?
IMHO we can know who GOD is by looking at the world and universe around us.
We were created into existance, not evolved.
You may believe that but all of the evidence seems to say otherwise.
But maybe you came from apes, I don't know
I doubt that any of us came from apes, they are way too evolved to be the common ancestor. You and I and everyone else though came from the ancestor of the apes. Does that bother you? If so, why?

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Message 182 of 321 (107891)
05-13-2004 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by riVeRraT
05-13-2004 6:33 AM


Not exactly.
You said
But everyone in here is telling me that evolution is fact, and proven.
and that is not quite what we are all saying.
What we are saying is that all of the data and observations support Evolution. That all the different bodies of study, geology, radiology, biology, the fossil record and now genetic studies have independantly supported Evolution. It is not proven but it sure looks to be about as solid as anything could be at this stage.
It has advanced to the point where predictions can be made about what should be found if it is true, and so far, every one of those has turned out to be true.

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jar
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Message 183 of 321 (107894)
05-13-2004 11:05 AM
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05-13-2004 7:09 AM


A good question.
You ask
If something evolves back to its former state, does this fit the model of evolution? If so, that means we could possibly become "apes" again?
and the answer is, sorta yes.
First, you need to remember that we were never apes.
The Apes are highly evolved from their ancestors just as we are. The predecessor of the Ape and of man was something else, another, earlier primate.
And sure, we could evolve to be Apes, or most anything else.
Evolution is not some straight line growth. Newer forms are not better at anything except surviving. That's all. Surviving.
It is not a movement from less good to more good, from worse to better, from lower to higher. It is all about reproduction and survival.

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jar
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Message 194 of 321 (107920)
05-13-2004 12:01 PM
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05-13-2004 11:49 AM


Re: A good question.
Better and worse only have meaning if they imporve the chances of survival.
Smarter is not BETTER. It is only an evolution that helped us adapt to changing environments.
Look at the cockroach and turtle. Both have existed far longer than Homo Sapiens and it's likely that both will still exist after we are gone.
You make the mistaken assumption that Humans are better than Apes. From our point of view, that may seem reasonable but I'm not sure that the Apes would agree.
And there is not such thing as backwards or forwards evolution. As I said, it's not from less to more or worse to better. It is change. That's all. Change.

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jar
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Message 231 of 321 (108078)
05-14-2004 12:13 AM
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05-14-2004 12:03 AM


Re: Not quite as you say
You keep coming back to
Alot of scientists are guilty of the same thing.
To me it all has a negative impact on truely finding God.
From both sides. IMO
What does science, evolution, the age of the universe have to do with finding or knowing GOD?
How can science negatively impact knowing GOD?
If tomorrow, someone produces living matter in a tube, what possible effect would that have on the existence of GOD?
If next week, someone produces a MAN from dirt, how would that effect GOD?
Once that step has been acomplished, probably within my lifetime, the next step is easy. The second person would be produced in the manner approved by GOD, cloning.

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Message 289 of 321 (108172)
05-14-2004 10:15 AM
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05-14-2004 9:13 AM


Re: Damage control
You say
So you would only believe that you are created. Its what you feel as a true Christian.
but many true Christians believe that they evolved.
How can you explain that?

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jar
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Message 291 of 321 (108178)
05-14-2004 10:57 AM
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05-14-2004 10:51 AM


Re: What evolved?
Just about the time of the last (IMHO) obvious miracle, BREAD.

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