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Author Topic:   Radiocarbon dates -- young coal and natural gas (things that C14 date too young/old)
johnfolton 
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Message 7 of 21 (483523)
09-22-2008 10:26 PM


Now that were entering global cooling this information is probably not relevant. What is interesting is another peat study dating thousands not millions of years of age. Interesting tree started growing on the 3rd creation day so when you factor akjv 2 peter 3:8 the peat in Siberia is spot on for creationists young earth.
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Armed with funding from the National Science Foundation, Smith and MacDonald led a 22-member international team that also discovered the Siberian peatlands are 2,000 to 3,000 years older than previously thought and may even be responsible for a mysterious spike 9,000 to 11,500 years ago in methane levels in the earth's atmosphere.
"As a plant grows, it takes carbon from the atmosphere," Smith said. "After the plant dies, if it doesn't fully decompose, some of this carbon becomes stored in the ground in the form of peat. This process has been ongoing in Siberia for 11,500 years.
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Message 10 of 21 (483617)
09-23-2008 2:38 PM
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Re: What One Would Expect
JF said: What is interesting is another peat study dating thousands not millions of years of age.
lyx2 said: aThousands of years is what one would expect in high latitudes; the peat having formed after the retreat of the glaciers of the last ice age. A peat bog down the road from my house was a shallow pond until 1938 when a hurricane filled it with sand. It then served as a cranberry bog and winter ice skating rink until 1967. The peat is all of 67 mm thick
The scientific evidence appears no massive glacier to wipe away previous vegetation in Siberia. This means your backyard peat bogs is like this evidence that the earth is young. right?
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During the LGM the climate was extremely cold and dry east of the Scandinavian Ice Sheet. The Siberian coastal areas were polar desert whereas further south in NW Russia the precipitation was adequite to the formation of ice-dammed lakes.
During the LGM the mainland of northern European Russia was free of ice because of the limited extent of the Barents-Kara Ice Sheets. This contradicts with some earlier reconstructions of huge continuous ice cover during the LGM extending from Ireland to the Taimyr Peninsula
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Climate variability during the last interglacial-glacial cycle in NW Eurasia
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Matti Saarnisto
Geological Survey of Finland
The ice expansion to reach the last glacial maximum (LGM) took place later than previously thought. The LGM was younger and considerably smaller in extent, and the deglaciation in general was older. The ice expanded from northern Sweden across Finland more than thousand kilometres to its maximum LGM position in NW Russia in less than 10000 years (Fig. 1, Lunkka et al. 2001). The maximum position was reached 17 000 to 18 000 years ago and similarly the ice retreat was completed in less than 10 000 years, which indicate great changes in climate systems. During the LGM the climate was extremely cold and dry east of the Scandinavian Ice Sheet. The Siberian coastal areas were polar desert whereas further south in NW Russia the precipitation was adequite to the formation of ice-dammed lakes. Palaeobotanical evidence, although limited, suggests that the winter temperatures were at least 20 C and summer temperatures 5-11 C lower than today in this region and precipitation was reduced to one third of the present values (Tarasov et al. 1999). During the LGM the mainland of northern European Russia was free of ice because of the limited extent of the Barents-Kara Ice Sheets. This contradicts with some earlier reconstructions of huge continuous ice cover during the LGM extending from Ireland to the Taimyr Peninsula
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Message 12 of 21 (483632)
09-23-2008 3:31 PM
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Coyote, You are quoting material that contradicts your position right?
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Message 13 of 21 (483635)
09-23-2008 3:40 PM
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Coyote, You are quoting material that contradicts your position right?
Coyote,
The evidence is the last glacier did not wipe all the previous vegetation evidence away. You need ice to wipe the slate clean. right?
The evidence is not the most recent glacier but the peat bogs that dated no older than 11,500 years. Now you have a problem the most recent glacier does not support your delusion that previous peat bogs were destroyed from you time lines. right?
P.S. The truth is if the earth was an old one those peat bogs would of dated older if the earth was not an young earth. right?
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The ice expansion to reach the last glacial maximum (LGM) took place later than previously thought. The LGM was younger and considerably smaller in extent, and the deglaciation in general was older.
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Message 15 of 21 (483648)
09-23-2008 4:11 PM
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Re: Coyote, You are quoting material that contradicts your position right?
The article about peat bogs said no peat older than 11,500 years I quoted glaciers because non from your time line were capable of erasing peat bogs older than 11,500 years. It all comes out were talking an young universe. right?
P.S. If you have no life older than 11,500 years how pray tell did they date glaciers older. Is not this one more of your beliefs in dating methods based on myths like an old earth. From your myths these dates of 27,000 years were derived not from C14. right?

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09-23-2008 11:42 PM
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Re: Coyote, You are quoting material that contradicts your position right?
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Message 19 of 21 (483737)
09-23-2008 11:50 PM
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Re: Coyote, You are quoting material that contradicts your position right?
I would appreciate it if you could restate what you said above to be more understandable. Thanks.
The peat fossils dates by C14 were frozen not affected by mineralization, contamination, dilution, etc ... right? They all dated no older than 11,500 years. On this we agree. right?
Another poster suggested the last glacier answers why nothing older meaning the last glacier scraped the Siberian bogs of previous vegetation answers why nothing dated older from his old earth point of view.
The problem with this is the last major glacier is it had no moisture over Siberia. Without major amounts of ice it could not of scraped away previous peat bogs thus the present peat bogs suggest only that its an young earth. right? I mean if life has been growing on this earth for millions of years and this glacier was incapable of removing peat bogs before 11,500 years you should have plenty of stuff dating older than 11,500 years: like 17,000 year 15,000 years 19,000 years, 20,000 years instead only young earth biblical time ages is what you see in the natural and the only explanation why you don't see nothing is a glacier that was not capable of scraping away the previous peat bogs. If the earth is 13,000 years old you should see frozen peat not dating older than 11,500 years by C14(if they were sheltered being frozen in a peat bog from contamination). right? This means your in check right? No excuses other than denial. right? Ok can not or will not refute then guess its check mate!
By the way, I have obtained radiocarbon dates older than 11,500 years myself.
But were they frozen wood fossils sheltered from gamma rays, water leaching, mineralization, and other contaminations, etc...
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