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Author Topic:   What is the YEC answer to the lack of shorter lived isotopes?
Taq
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Message 102 of 128 (511002)
06-05-2009 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by dcarraher
06-05-2009 10:31 AM


Re: God created a man, not an embryo
So, I guess my response is "#1) God is a prankster and deliberately set up the universe to trick us", rephrased as "#1) God is a pragmatist, and deliberately aged the universe, solar system, and earth to provide the perfect habitat for supporting life."
Then you need to show that the absence of these short lived isotopes is necessary for a viable habitat.
The problem is not an apparent age. It is an apparent HISTORY. It is not like God creating an adult instead of an embryo. It is more similar to God creating Adam with scars from injuries that he never suffered. The absence of specific short lived isotopes is an apparent history for the solar system.
The inherent premise of this objection is that long half-life elements, which presumably were deposited on earth's crust during the formation of the planet, still exist, while the shorter half-life elements have all "decayed away".
So, if we accept this premise, the only logical conclusion is: All of the long half-life elements on this list (not naturally renewed), should have the exact same "age" - they should all date to the formation of the sun/earth.
Do they? Do they all always show up in the exact same parent/daughter ratios? That information is not supplied - anyone have a reference? If they do all date to the same age, it doesn't invalidate YEC (see 1 above), but if they don't, then it completely removes this phenomena as an evidence for an old earth.
I don't think it is possible to measure the Earth's total volume of specific isotopes.
Also, you can not date atoms. You can't pull out a uranium atom and do a test to see how old it is.

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Message 119 of 128 (511333)
06-09-2009 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by dcarraher
06-08-2009 1:34 PM


Re: God created a man, not an embryo
dcarraher writes:
Next, Taq accuses me of claiming an apparent HISTORY as opposed to age. Again - a ratio of radioactive parent/daughter product hardly provides a "history".
Yes it does. It provides a history of decay over billions of years. There is no reason, other than a history of decay, that rocks should contain these isotopes. For example, when zircons form they exclude lead but include uranium. The only reason that we should find lead in zircons is due to the decay of uranium, and we find lead in zircons, lots of it in some zircons. The same for argon in rocks. Rocks do not include this gas when they form. The only reason that we should find these levels of argon in rocks is due to radioactive decay of potassium. There is nothing about the function of zircons or other rocks that requires them to have these inclusions.
The analogy of an "appendix scar" would be, for example, 4.5Byr layered sediment, or 4.5Byr of salt in the ocean, or dead moons around Saturn and Jupiter, not active moons or comets w/ decaying orbits, etc. - stuff that again requires you to discard your uniformitarianism to explain (and introduce all kinds of evidence-free hypotheses - like Oort clouds! and Dark Matter! and Multiverses! Woot!)
Our moon is dead and it's decaying orbit points to a long history. It is also covered in massive meteor impacts, scars of a long history of bombardment.

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