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Author Topic:   Hydrologic Evidence for an Old Earth
riVeRraT
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Message 115 of 174 (326688)
06-26-2006 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
06-25-2006 7:38 PM


rat time
Well, I get it, really I do,from a layman point of view.
I don't dispute how long it takes water to be forced through rock, based on it's denisity, or pourosity from hydrolic pressure.
What I would like to know, is the areas you are talking about, are you 100% certain that the rock is solid to the earth's core, without cracks?
I live on a rock, everything around here is rock. (I live near waterstone rd. got that name for a reason) I live on a pretty good incline also, and when it rains too much, the water actually can spray out of the cracks in my driveway from hydrolic pressure. When the aquifer reaches it's limit, and then it stops raining, I've seen it take 10-24 hours to stop. But of course we are talking about a mile of rock, not thousands.
My friend, owns a farm not to far from here, and has an artesian well literally under his kitchen. (was built that way on purpose)It dries up, when there is no rain for 20 days. But it will start up pretty quickly when it starts raining again.
I just can't see it taking hundreds of thousands of years for water to travel a thousand miles underground. Unless of course there were no cracks for it to go through.
Wouldn't hydrolic pressure even force cracks and "small tunnels" to form in the weaker sections of the rock?
I have lived where I am at for 13 years now, and I've actually witnessed the streams shift, and carve the rock around here. THe rock is mostly "ledge rock" quartz, with iron in it, in places. Some of it is extremely hard (breaks drill bits, and jack hammers don't do shit) but some of it is softer, where you could break it apart with a hammer. It is, filled with cracks.
Matter of fact, ever since I was little kid, I would stare at the rock carved out when they make the highways. I have seen several different types of rock. You can see cross sections of the earth, and see exactly how the water travels through certain spots, but not others. It is always full of cracks, that the water can travel through rather quickly, and effciently. I have noticed that about every carved roadway, with in a 100 mile radius of where I live, in NY.
Are the Zuni mountains, or the rock under them, really that different?

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riVeRraT
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Message 121 of 174 (326746)
06-27-2006 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Coragyps
06-27-2006 6:58 AM


they pump into the rock at 3000 (or 10,000+) psi, depending on the depth and type of rock, to make fractures for oil to travel through.
Water at the bottom of the ocean, at 7 miles is at about 16,000 psi.
With all that weight on top of it, wouldn't water in an aquifer be under similar pressure?
I mea I realize that the water at the bottom of the ocean, isn't really cutting through the ocean, or is it, in certain spots. Wouldn't the water naturally take the path of least resistance?

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riVeRraT
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Message 122 of 174 (326749)
06-27-2006 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by anglagard
06-27-2006 1:54 AM


Re: rat time
Yes, rock deeper than around 5 miles or so is solid (except for the semiplastic Mororovic discontinuity) all the way down for 1800 more miles until one hits the liquid outer core.
I was speaking to a guy who does "real" geothermal work. He uses the heat from the earth to boil water and create steam which turns a turbine generator.
Where the ocean meets the continents, is where they have to do the least drilling, and have an "unlimited" supply of water. They only need to go down about 3 miles, before the water boilers out.
Wouldn't the water in an aquifer start to boil, or at least be forced upwards by the heat of the earth, and not go that deep?
Or is it because it is under pressure, and the boiling point has raised up enough to prevent that from happening?
Doesn't then increase the pressure of everything, and allow the water to force itself throuigh the rock quicker?
Lastly, it is important to remember that the travel time that water may take through an aquifer is directly measured by dying water or doping it with a radiactive isotope and pumping it down a well and then seeing how long it takes to show up in a well downstream so to speak. This measurement tells one how long it takes water to travel in a given aquifer in a rather direct manner.
Yes, I can relate to that, I do die tests on septic systems.
Let's go put some die in the Yuni mountains, and wait 830,000 years.
But really, can that test be done on rock that is 1800 miles deep? Or are we only doing that test on the surface?

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 172 of 174 (326979)
06-27-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by CK
06-27-2006 9:03 AM


Re: rat time
I was told 3 miles down in the earth, near the shore line.
Inland would be much deeper, and they can't go that far yet. If the government would invest a little money into the technology, we could.
Then we could have basically free electric power.

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riVeRraT
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Message 173 of 174 (326980)
06-27-2006 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by deerbreh
06-27-2006 9:54 AM


Re: rat time
Next time you open the lid of a septic test, tell me whether you would call it dye, or die.

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