EvC Forum: 20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum

Buzsaw writes:

Sometime within 20 years:

1. They might discuss/study/debate some of the displays and claims of the creationist museums whereas now they're pretty much ignored or pshawed as bogus.

Scientists are debating it here, at Pharyngula, Panda's Thumb, IIDB, and so on, except when they are laughing out loud about that dinosaur with the saddle on it's back, among other absurdities.

2. Much if not most of the creo museum display is actual observable evidence of something relative to archeological research, excavation etc. This could be studied/debated/discussed relative to both ideologies.

They have been, *newsflash* the scientific verdict is in, you guys have nothing but the unfounded claims of a cult of willful ignorance.

3. Likely secularists would finally research the Nuweiba beach/sandbar at Aquaba and the corroborating evidence in the region relative to the Biblical Exodus. That's just one example of things needing more research etc.

I wish some unbiased researcher with 'actual' academic credentials would do so as well. But we both know you would ignore any finding that did not support your preconceived notions.

4. The Biblical global flood then being on the table, other perspectives than the conventional would be studied relative to pre-flood atmospheric conditions, terrarium possibilities and what effect a pre-flood atmosphere might have on modern dating methodology, etc.

You and your cronies have to show how each and every Message 2 is not valid first, or your table has no legs.

5. Things like levitation and such might be discussed relative to claims of the accult as is claimed.

Funny how those fundies believe in everything except science. Would you also support discussions in science class concerning the claims to divinity presented by David Koresh or Charles Manson? When would anyone have time to actually study science?

6. Phenomena of particles, etc which appear to emerge in and out of existence might be discussed relative to metaphysical phenomena such as unseen powers in view of observed behavior of humans involving good and evil unseen powers/beings we call angels and demons. These have been widely into human cultures from the beginning of recorded history. Are these related to particle phenomena, etc. These might be on the table.

Are you a good quark, or a bad quark?

Apologies to the Wizard of Oz

7. Mathmatical probabilities of abiogenesis, RM and NS might be included in science curriculum. Other math probability studies might be the corroborative multitudes of properties of atmosphere, solar system positions, earth properties, etc needful for life to even exist. These all would be open to study.

The first point is already dismissed by anyone who knows squat about probability and statistics because they know about the phrase 'garbage in, garbage out.' The second is being studied already, you just don't like the answers.

8. Funding might be more evenhanded to include some aspects of nonconventional research, archeology and studies.

Through taxation, or more succinctly "at the end of a barrel of a gun" I presume? Why not get one of your megachurches to fund it instead of the preacher's third Rolls?

9. More creo research and study would flush out the false and lend credibility to the factual relative to all aspects of scientific study, archeology and research.

AIG, ICR, and other anti-science organizations have provided nothing after 100 years of 'creation science', why think 20 more would make any difference?

10. The stigma might be somewhat alleviated relative to creo peer review accessability and employment fairhandedness.

Sorry fundie preachers and their flock don't get to referee scientific journals. Would you like for scientists to referee your church's sermons and other religious statements?

I could go on and on. If the playing field were leveled for all imo, we'd all be a whole lot more apprised and intelligent. The kiddies all the way up through higher education would then be knowledgeable so as to decide for themselves what to think rather than to have exclusive conventionalist mush stuffed into their heads throughout their lives.

I couldn't agree more. Let's start with the anti-science, anti-economics, anti-national, anti-democratic, and anti-rational hogwash being shoved down everyone's throats on Sunday morning or take away their tax-exempt status.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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