Yes it nice to see you say you disagree with Gould on magesisteriality. I view it that way as well.
In Bakker's relay of Augustine and sand flies this thread comes up to Williams'
quote:
In dealing with various possible kinds of biotic adapation I have confined the discussion to the problem of whether the phenomenon really operates in the manner envisioned, and whether they suggest any creative evolutionary force besides the natural selection of alternative alleles.
The kind of errors that person might make biologically in interpreting Augustine on the "song" of nature relate to the boy scout type information Williams narrates inter alia, about frogs calling "in order to aid their fellows in finding water" and such the likes of if rattle snakes are advertising danger ably (tail vs head) etc.
I could take up the relation of Williams to Gould and Dawkins futher by reference to Figure 2 in the book in another thread if you would like. I categorically deny that there has been any adaptive "hardening" in the constricted community of evoutionary thinkers. Dawkins didn't seperate out the religious elements far enough. I have not read his last book. Williams IS mistaken where physical law exists in groups biologically that ARE NOT telenomic yet man-makeable educts of teleological determinations. This IS NOT a meme of it. It might be also. Williams went on to indicate the ecosystems were too loose to be causal in this approximate sense but I dont see how energy intensive molecular dissections of endemic places won't find biogeographic homlogy replacing the trophic pyramid at supramolecular levels of organization. If that was already found there is not either the effect of genic selectionism as provisioned in the past nor the affect of species selection in the manner already envisioned. This is a work in process where zygote information of different life cycles can be more than this reflectively considered.
If you are just as confused with this post dont feel obliged to carry it further just now. I will read around some of your posts once I get back in Ithaca and begin the new semester and am done with summer.
This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 08-11-2005 06:37 PM