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Yaro
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Message 32 of 42 (205779)
05-07-2005 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by SuperDave
05-07-2005 12:57 AM


Re: back to Science in Public Schools
Evolutionists should have no problem with the mention of various creationist ideas, just as creationists should welcome the inclusion of evolutionary theories into curriculum.
Unfortunetly creationisim is Theology and not science. Thus, it does not belong in a science/biology class. It, however, could be discussed in a philosophi/religion class.
Debateing and discussing ideas is a good thing, but it's important to stay on topic. For example: If I were in an English class, it would be inapropriate to discuss math. Likewise, if I were in a Biology class, it would be inapropriate to discuss theological concepts like creation.
Excluding either is a reduction of available data which under any circumstance can only be construed as an attempt to coerce students to believe only what the authority would have them believe.
No one is coercing anyone to belive anything. They are mearly being taught what current science has to teach. Just like they teach you history in history class, math in math class, they teach you science/biology in science/biology class.
I see no problem with creation being adressed in a philosophy/theology class.
This message has been edited by Yaro, 05-07-2005 01:08 AM

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Yaro
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Message 35 of 42 (205835)
05-07-2005 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by SuperDave
05-07-2005 1:48 AM


Re: back to Science in Public Schools
One classroom subject that this may relate to better is history. It is pretty much always taught from only one point of view: ours. The way we look at a historical event may be very different from the way it is viewed in another country.
Very true. Not only people in other countries, but even people in this country who tend to look further into historical subjects. However this is not to say there is not a "true" history. After all certain events did indeed happen. A good teacher would simply portray these events factually and do his best to avoid bias. It's tough, but then again that what good teachers are for.
However, I don't think creation and science fall in to the same league as this situation. Evolution is as much a product of bias as the Theory of Gravity is, it's just what the observed facts point toward. Creation is not even in the same ballpark.
Creation does not offer an "alternate view" any more than Hollocaust deniers have a valid "alternate view" of history. It's just plain wrong in a scientific context.
As long as it is not in the science classroom, creation is a good subject to adress. As suggested before a phillosophy/theology class would be the best place to discuss it.
The only way I could see it fitting in to a science curriculum is if they were teaching it as one of the many "old theories" that science has left behind long ago. Like the theory of phlogistin, geocentrisim, etc.

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Yaro
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Message 38 of 42 (205919)
05-07-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by SuperDave
05-07-2005 5:54 PM


Re: back to Science in Public Schools
LOL! sorry if I misinterpreted you. I wan't trying to argue, just clarify the point. It may be my fault for jumping to conclusions about your intended meaning.

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