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Author Topic:   Ok. Why not. Let's teach ID in Science class!
nwr
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Message 14 of 87 (254361)
10-24-2005 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ohnhai
10-21-2005 11:36 PM


Re: but teach it with all its prolems, errors and miss-representations.
SO why not? Let’s teach ID fully and wholly, with no varnish or leaving anything out let’s give them what they want, and make them realise that this (for them) is a truly bad idea.
There isn't a whole lot of science in ID, so there won't be much to teach.
The proposals in the USA typically mention problems with ToE. So if I were required to teach ID, I would start with the alleged problems of ToE. The way I would want to present this would be to present a chart giving an estimate of the degree of empirical confirmation for various theories and hypotheses. I would include on the chart:
  • the claim that the earth is at least 1 billion years old;
  • the theory of evolution;
  • the theory of gravity;
  • the belief that Jesus was a real person;
  • the virgin birth;
  • the resurrection;
The aim would not be to challenge religious beliefs. Rather, it would be to emphasize that the empirical evidence for scientific theories greatly exceeds that for religious beliefs.
Of course, the religious groups might cry foul, and demand that ID be not allowed to be taught in science class. I would consider that a good outcome.

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nwr
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Message 30 of 87 (254980)
10-27-2005 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-27-2005 1:24 AM


Re: "Holocaust denial and Flat-Earthism" Straw Men
Once again the arrogant condescension of ad hominem attack rears its ugly head in what is supposed to be a "debate."
Michael Behe is not known for his "Holocaust denial and Flat-Earthism."
You appear to have misread that, Mirabile_Auditu. There was never any suggestion that Behe is involved in holocaust denial.
The metaphor (used by crashfrog, not ohnhai) was that evolution denial could be compared to holocaust denial, in that both deny the clear evidence.
I suggest you take more care before tossing accusations around.

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