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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Science does not prove or disprove the existence of anything which can neither be tested or observed (directly or indirectly).
Science does not address or even question the existence of GOD. Now we can proceed.
We can never *prove* gravity exists everywhere, for instance, and we may never find what time or space are composed of - they may not be composed of anything but be essential realities. Can we observe distant objects? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course it does! See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, this fantasy definition of science that totally ignores what happens in the real world of science. Please provide links to the peer reviewed studies on the existence of GOD. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ever hear of the Scopes trial? Every hear the verdict in the Scopes trial? LOL Please read what I write and respond to it.
jar writes: Please provide links to the peer reviewed studies on the existence of GOD. Are you willing to step through a thought experiment with me? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you had a pile of coins, and wanted to find those that were related, would it be reasonable to first separate them by country of origin?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not trying to be difficult, but what do you mean by 'related' - related in what way?
That is what we discover won't we? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You're no doubt trying to go somewhere with this, but I'm not getting it. What do you mean by 'related'? Having the same parents? I've gotta have some idea what I'm looking for in this pile of coins. But so far all you know is that it is a pile of coins. How they are related remains to be determined. How would you go about determining how they are related? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Speaking of a pile of coins jar said:
How would you go about determining how they are related? to which TheMystic mummbled:
quote: Well perhaps I can try different words. How could you determine what features of various coins are homologous? Edited by jar, : forgot of Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ok, so I look up 'homologous' and I read this: "having the same or a similar relation;" and I think, do I have time for this? Well, the second definition is " corresponding in structure and in origin, but not necessarily in function: The wing of a bird and the foreleg of a horse are homologous." So I suppose that's where you're going, but this thread is supposed to be about whether creationism is a cult or not. Well you would be wrong in assuming that is where we are going and if you will walk along I hope that you will see that not only is Biblical Creationism just a cult, it is one that is based on ignorance and cupidity and an act of hubris. So I will try yet another approach. If you were presented with a pile of coins, what would be the Biblical Creationist Method of sorting into their "kinds"? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
TheMystic said:
If there truly is some mechanism whereby species regularly evolve into something better and more complex, that mechanism ought to be one of the best understood mechanisms there is. That statement shows a total ignorance about what Evolution is all about or what is contained in the Theory of Evolution. If Biblical Creationism is not a Cult of Ignorance, don't you think that before criticizing Evolution you should first find out if your definition is correct?
Two things: Are there any statistics about what my audience might be? Right now your audience for any response to this post is a Christian who believes GOD created all that is, seen and unseen, and who fully supports both the FACT that Evolution happened and the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation to date on how it happened. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Instead of hurling insults at me, can you make a concise statement of what you think is wrong with my characterization? It is not an insult at all. Sorry if you take it that way. Just pointing out the facts.
Are you saying there is no mechanism whereby species regularly evolve in something better and more complex? I am say that is NOT what the Theory of Evolution claims or that the evidence shows. Since life started as very simple organisms there had to be some increase in complexity. When you begin as a single celled organism it is impossible to become less complex. Yet even today, most life on Earth is still very simple, single celled or having only a few cells. The part that is absolutely wrong is the idea that evolution implies "better" or a direction. Both the Theory of Evolution and the evidence suggest that there is no goal beyond perhaps, living long enough to reproduce. What we see when we do look at both living creatures and the evidence of those that lived in the past shows creatures just good enough to get by. There is no evidence of evolution towards something "better" nor is there anything in the Theory of Evolution that suggests such a trend. The important point though is that you and so many other Biblical Creationists attack the TOE and Evolution without first finding out what it really says. Your post in this thread tend to show that you think that Evolution and the Theory of Evolution are anti-GOD and specifically anti-Christianity. That is again absolutely incorrect. It is another example of the Cult of Ignorance. One indicator of a Cult of Ignorance is continued opposition to non-existent issues. The Theory of Evolution is NOT anti-Christianity. That can be proven. The Theory of Evolution does not predict that dogs will give birth to cats. The Theory of Evolution does not predict that there is a direction towards better. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Oh, that's too funny. So it's not christianity that's the problem, it's FUNDAMENTALIST. Yup. That is what we have been telling you. It is not Christianity that is the problem, it is the Cult of Ignorance.
'course it wasn't *real* science anyway. This is entertaining, guys, you live in an interesting world! Again with the misrepresentations. Read what he wrote.
PaulK writes: Science (although not in the full modern sense - that came much later)flourished under Islam until fundmantalist Muslims got control. The definition of Science, like all knowledge, changes over time. Modern science is, guess what, modern science. It is likely that a thousand years from now the process of science will be different than it is today. The first indication we have of Science as a consensus process using peer review and actual citation (as opposed to the, common at the time, practice of attribution) actually dates to around 800AD Islam and the first example of using experimental methods is again from Islam, found in the works of Ibn al-Haitham of Basra around 1015 in his tome Optics. Since then the process and methodology has changed over time and continues to change today. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Aren't the fundamentalists equally justified in extrapolating the threat posed by the Sam Harrises of this world to all scientists? Likely just misreading. What I believe was being said was Sam Harris = Scientist Sam Harris = Threat All Scientists = Threat.
Percy writes: What is desired is a very small thing, that religion confine itself to issues of faith. I think that really is it in a nutshell. But I also think that there is an even greater problem. The folk we are addressing as a Culture of Ignorance react the same way to issues beyond science. They oppose the general concept of "Knowledge" and believe that access to knowledge must be limited and filtered. I tried to address this sometime ago in a thread Message 1. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
AKA Casey Powell and JesusFighter
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