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Author Topic:   The truth about the mainstream cosmologist establishment
JonF
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Message 66 of 132 (181111)
01-27-2005 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by compmage
01-27-2005 12:57 PM


I'm no chemical expert, but if you have an electrical discharge big enough to burn a hole that size, is there any chance that that would create iridium?
No.

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JonF
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Message 68 of 132 (181150)
01-27-2005 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Loudmouth
01-27-2005 2:15 PM


The formation of the Grand Canyon was due to water erosion, and no geologist doubts this (except for a few creationist extremists).
Even the looniest of creationists beleives the Grand Canyon was formed by water erosion. Some think it was formed in a few days by water erosion.

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JonF
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Message 105 of 132 (182801)
02-03-2005 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by compmage
02-03-2005 6:56 AM


Re: Two burning questions
Why is he denied access to telescope to either prove/disprove hypothesis? How is he supposed to gather evidence when he is denied access to instruments?
This is a long-running canard, characteristic of those who unquestioningly swallow what they want to believe.
Arp is employed at a premier physics and astrophysics institute (Max-Planck-Institut fr Astrophysik), gets plenty of telescope time, and continues to publish (see MPA Scientific Preprints issued in 2004 and MPA Scientific Preprints issued in 2003 and X-ray Emitting QSOs Ejected from Arp 220).
See also Quasars and the Cosmic Distance Scale.

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JonF
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Message 106 of 132 (182802)
02-03-2005 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by compmage
02-03-2005 6:56 AM


Re: Two burning questions
Is this true that electric fields is not coverred in the cosmology curricula?
I don't know. What reasons or evidence do you have to believe that it's true?

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JonF
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Message 120 of 132 (182844)
02-03-2005 10:35 AM
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02-03-2005 9:05 AM


Re: Two burning questions
though it is unfortunate that he had to leave the US in order to continue his work.
What makes you think he had to leave the U.S.? There are many scientists who would jump at the opportunity to work at the Max Plank Institute! Your parochiality is showing.
As is the reliability of your sources.

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JonF
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Message 126 of 132 (182878)
02-03-2005 12:07 PM
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02-03-2005 10:41 AM


Re: Bad scientists in prestage facilities???
Now I'm confused. If Arp is such a bad scientist, and Max Plank Institute is such a prestage facility, how is it possible that he found work there?
You are assuming that Arp is a bad scientist. Well, he's not the greatest, that's for sure, and he's made some mistakes of fact and some errors of judgement; but he's done some good work and appears to be continuing to do some good work.
It's also possible (just off the top of my head, and I have no idea if it's true) that the Max Plank Institute is purposefully employing him to ensure that alternative viewpoints are investigated and heard. The "monolithic and dogmatic" scientific establishment is a myth.

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JonF
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Message 127 of 132 (182880)
02-03-2005 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Percy
02-03-2005 11:20 AM


OT: Sometimes they just don't get it
On talk.origins I and others spent over a year discussing isochron dating with a lady who had a laudable facility for generating excellent questions and fresh viewpoints, and a regrettable religious blind spot that prevented her from accepting or even acknowledging the answers to her questions.
We spent a couple of months on a sticking point that turned out to be her inability to accept or understand why five divided by zero is undefined rather than being five. I think we eventually persuaderd her but it's possible that we didn't.

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