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ikabod
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Message 46 of 118 (484921)
10-03-2008 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Agobot
10-01-2008 6:42 PM


Re: evidence?! what evidence?
Pick something - a mobile phone. Have a look at it - it exists physically. Put it under a scanning tunneling microscope and have a look - you'd see individual atoms. Zoom in and it disappears. There is no more phone, no building blocks of matter. Move the phone around under the miscroscope, there is still nothing to be seen. Now pull it off the microscope and it's still there, but if you return it under the microscope - there is no phone.
interesting , but meaningless .. try this .. place the phone on a table , now shut your eyes .. is the phone still there ..
if it is then its exsistance is not dependant on perception .....
if it is not there what happens when i dial your phone number ... do i create your phone ..as i can here it "ringing" on my phone ...or do you create the phone by you hearing the phone ring .. or is there just a ringing and no phone till you open your eyes and create it ...
answer in no more than one million words ..((j/k))

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ikabod
Member (Idle past 4523 days)
Posts: 365
From: UK
Joined: 03-13-2006


Message 48 of 118 (484931)
10-03-2008 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Agobot
10-03-2008 7:06 AM


Re: evidence?! what evidence?
Ok , the whole point of that question about the phone is to try to see where YOU think reality is ...
and it would seem that you think reality is external to you ... this means that when you change your point of view you shouuld not be shocked that you seem to see something different ...perception and POV plays tricks
simple example ..look at your hand , then look at a x-ray of a hand ..both are real perceptions of the same thing , both are true and real .. but you see , or do not see differnt things .. yet reality is still the same .. just as if you look at the QM level of perception and at the eyeball level .. nothing changes both are reality both are equally valid .. you still interact in the same way ...
if you eyes saw everything at the QM level the cat you look at would still go meow and drink milk ...
if you stand a mile away and look at the cat with a classic eye then the cat is reduced to a featurelss dot of , for example , black ....it still goes meow and drinks milk
reality does not care how you percive it .. there is a good reason why we dont see at the QM level .. it make shoe laces hard to tie ...just as if we saw things as x-rays ... we see in the best way to allow us to interact with reality ..what we SEE is just a shorthand for reality that helps us live with in reality ....
Now if you had answered the phone question differently we could have talked about how reality is all internal and nothing is ... but you didnt .. so ....

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