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cavediver
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Message 16 of 118 (484756)
10-01-2008 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Rahvin
10-01-2008 12:41 PM


10 imaginary internet dollars says cavediver's initial reaction to this thread (assuming it garners a response at all) is one of either mockery or a request that you seek help.
It is a touch OTT Einstein, hero of mine as he is, was very wrong when it came to quantum theory. But there is no need to worry - the Moon is there, and not simply on the whim of an onlooker. The realm we inhabit at our length scales is a classical domain, caused by the near-infinite number of interactions between the constituent components. The Copenhagen Interpretation is irrelevant to this, and to me is merely an observed approximation that occurs when a quantum domain interacts with a classical domain. Admittedly, take our world, isolate it from all external interactions, and it will behave quantum mechanically to an external observer... and then the moon could well disappear

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cavediver
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Message 25 of 118 (484797)
10-01-2008 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Agobot
10-01-2008 6:33 PM


QM tells us... ...that we have a distinct role in defining the world around us. Get used to it, it's a fact.
No, it does not, despite the many who say and write otherwise. Ask someone who works or has worked with quantum theory (Son Goku and myself, for example) and we will tell you something very different.
But experiments in QM shows that you are wrong. You cannot avoid the observer's role because it's well defined and proven beyond doubt.
Again, this is wrong. Science magazines may well say this, but they are wrong. Scientists who are not properly aquainted with quantum theory may say this, and they are wrong.
Point me to a paper that says that decoherence is a done deal. Or that it solves the "observation/measurement" problem. It'd be appreaciated if you could point me to a site that states that the physics community has accepted decoherence as the definitive reason for the measurement/oserver problem.
Decoherence is a fact. A complete theory of decoherence is not fully established, because there are some technicalities - and as ever, there are philosophical ambiguities. But the vast majority of us have accepted decoherence as the definitive reason for the measurement/observer problem - modulo the above ambiguities.
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cavediver
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Message 103 of 118 (485625)
10-10-2008 7:47 AM
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10-10-2008 7:17 AM


Re: Hardcore atheism FTW
Got to agree with Percy, there. It is attrocious!
There are two main differences between sound waves and light waves. The first difference is in velocity.
That's like saying that the first difference between the Moon and cheese is that the Moon is much further away than most cheese...
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