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zcoder
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Message 10 of 28 (390191)
03-19-2007 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by cavediver
01-27-2007 5:13 PM


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Has anyone recreated this stretching?
I maybe wrong here, but when a object of any mass is in space
the space does not exist where the mass object is.
space and mass can not take up the same space. so in a sence, mass
does stretch space around it distorting it, and this is on top
of the fact that space is also stretching in all derections away
from a mass object.
zcoder....

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Message 12 of 28 (390309)
03-19-2007 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by cavediver
03-19-2007 2:05 PM


I don't know much about theorys, I just try to think it out
logicly.
So if it's true that space can not exist where mass is, then what
makes gravity on mass objects that don't spin?
The main thing I noticed was that when you watch the astronauts
playing with liquids. and what I noticed was that the liquids would
ball up together into a ball.
And the larger clumbs would draw the smaller ones into it,
if they got close enough to them.
And as the clump got bigger it could draw in alot more. which means
that it is growing in mass, and gaining in gravity, enough to pull
in more.
But, what in space is making gravity on objects that are not
spinning?? Like our moon, which really has no spin to say, but
turns once every lunar month, which is such a slow spin that
that could not account for the gravity that the moon has , so
I had to conclude that the moon's mass created most of it's
gravity.
But I still needed to explain how mass makes gravity.
and this is what I came up with.
Picture a ball in space, and as space expands in all directions
away from the ball, the effects on the ball is as if it was
falling into it's self.
This also puts the effects of gravity on the ball which is related
to the balls mass. in other words the ball is falling into it's self
in all directions, while space is rushing away from it in all directions
and it's this effect that couse's a inward force onto the ball hence gravity.
and the amount of gravity asserted is in relation to it's mass.
Is this idea flawed? is there something I did not consider?
Zcoder....

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Message 14 of 28 (390387)
03-20-2007 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Taz
03-19-2007 11:40 PM


I will ignore the insalt.
like I said I don't have a degree in all this.
But I am feeling I was wrong to think I would
get answers in a polite manner to the correct
meaning of what creates gravity.
"how come more massive objects exert more gravitational force on other objects?"
the effect I described is in relation to the objects mass
so the greater the mass the more gravity it has, so it will
exert more gravitational force on other objects.
Zcoder....

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zcoder
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Message 15 of 28 (390392)
03-20-2007 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by zcoder
03-20-2007 1:53 AM


Never mind,
I wanted in my later years to try out some science
as a hobby sence I now have the time in my life to do so.
I spent most of my life as a electronics engineer and
programmer.
I know first hand how a programmer can use his imagination
to create in the computer, worlds that don't really exist
and set laws, which he knows can not ever exist, and when
the program is started it can create, detroy, worlds and
systems all while following the laws set forth by the programmer.
once set in motion even the programmer(the creator) does not know
where at the program is at, in any instance, nore what will come next.
even though he is the creator. I have even been surprised at some
of the things I have seen happen, even though I was the creator.
And all the different laws or realms I made was pure imagination
not basted on real models of real worlds.
I also know that taking theorys and building programs to follow
those theorys to a tea can also be done.
So with evolution and creation both being theorys and the fact
that doing them in a computer or in your mind does not make them
so. and a theory is just a theory not a fact, nore is it provin.
infact it is more of an adoption of an idea, mostly based on appeal
becouse it sounded logical, If this is not the case then it would
have to be a fact that you believe it, otherwise it is just a
theory.
This leads me to then believe that if you adopt a theory which is
not proven in real life, then it has to be on faith.
for instance, In physics, the term theory is generally used for a
mathematical framework, derived from a small set of basic principles.
the theory in present time can not be confirmed, but is
adopted as doctrine base only on it's fiting into a mathematical model
or it's basic principles.
same goes for creation, all is faith, so now this leaves only one
difference between the two believe systems. Why each individual will
accept one system over another can not be fully explained.
So if one believe system is false then so is the other. becouse they
are both alike in more then one way.
But this will never even get fair thought by a evolutionist after all
they believe that the word theory is a science fact, becouse they
learned it in school, and other scientists believe it also, so it has
to be true. after all the mathematical model proves it, infact just
for shits and giggles, a group of us back in the 80's made a mathematical
model that proved god existed, yet we did not believe it. and we used
also christian basic principles, only thing we lacked was an einstein or
darwin to prove it.
like my experience making world models in a computer, so can a creator
and watch his creation turn out surpizes after surpizes.
but that too is just a theory.
So why do I see in this forum, which says they have good scientists but
are unwilling to say the truth that at this time in mans journey, we
really have no idea what the hell kind of realm we live in.
why must it be one sided? why so many attacts on believers, would a
believer threaten your theory? I believe not, whould it threaten your
mathematical model, I believe not.
So why can't there be real honest diversity in these forums from the so
called scientists, and a real respectful discussion on these theorys?
I believe the theory of string theorys, I believe in the expansion of
space, I believe alot that you do, but I don't on all things. is this
not healthy? what is the problem?
When I came here I was excited, I just knew that what ever I may have
believed would be shown to me to be wrong, with explanations so I could
wrap my head around it all, but what I got was attacted for being wrong
I never even got to rebuttal back. it's not like a got into a post that
lasted along while before getting insulted, it was right away.
then when I ended my post with, is there something I am flawed at
in my thought?
It's a shame of none-academic honest diversity from a community
I have ever seen, not even in collage have I ever seen this.
Zcoder....

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