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Author Topic:   A layman's questions about universes
Eta_Carinae
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Message 3 of 128 (116755)
06-19-2004 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-19-2004 1:25 PM


No I don't agree
This Universe could or could not be infinite. This is a question with no current definitive answer.
A1. If it currently is not infinite then it cannot become infinite.
A2. Yes
A3. Yes
A4. a) Impossible to answer
b) Meaningless question
c) It cannot - but really a nonsensical question
A5. a) Meaningless
b) Our "observable" universe could
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Eta_Carinae
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Message 7 of 128 (116858)
06-20-2004 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
06-19-2004 11:26 PM


Buzsaw
is still an idiot. After all these months I thought you might have clued yourself in a little.
Still pushing the science is a conspiracy nonsense?

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Message 10 of 128 (116871)
06-20-2004 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Buzsaw
06-20-2004 11:47 AM


As usual your sentences are resistant to parsing.
What I remember is that you completely confused even yourself with your prattlings about the Sun.
You categorically failed to understand not only the basic stellar physics but also the observations themselves.

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Eta_Carinae
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Message 28 of 128 (117209)
06-21-2004 4:41 PM


With regards to the Solar age thread.
I tried very hard to understand where buzsaw was going with that thread. After posting many posts with the current theory and observations I thought I understood what he was asking.
Then he goalpost shifted - though I don't think deliberately. I just think he has problems putting together sentences that express his questions.
I was NOT the only one having problems understanding what he was getting at.
Once I explained something he then claimed it wasn't answered or he shifted the question somewhat - I think he did anyway because overall it was impossible to really figure out what he was asking.
If I remember no one else could figure out what it was he was truly intimating.
It was frustrating because I genuinely tried to explain the situation as best I can on a message board such as this.
The problem is that Creationists invariably think there is some CONSPIRACY of the scientific community against them. Thus buzsaw interpreted my trouble of understanding his questions as deliberate fogging the issue on my part.
This categorically was not and is not the case.
Why hide the facts and theory when they support my contentions in this area.
I must admit I actually do not remember the exact gist of buzsaw's arguments even now. What is more - I'll wager he doesn't either.

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Message 36 of 128 (117360)
06-21-2004 11:35 PM
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06-21-2004 11:06 PM


Reply
You still have the solar physics and observations wrong.
I'll stand by what I said before - a suddenly created (last 6000 years) Sun WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE WE OBSERVE, PERIOD.
No tiptoeing required.
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Eta_Carinae
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Message 38 of 128 (117378)
06-22-2004 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
06-22-2004 12:16 AM


This is why you should stick to playing bingo
...or knitting.
buzsaw writes:
This is the problem I have with physicists. They cheat, imo by using a two dimension (not counting time) model for a three dimension problem if they consider the universe to be spherical
It's all a conspiracy to you. The 2D models are just analogies to make the concepts easier to follow.
We don't use the analogy in a calculation you idiot.
What part of analogy do you not comprehend?

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Eta_Carinae
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Message 45 of 128 (117394)
06-22-2004 1:04 AM
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06-22-2004 12:42 AM


Re: Reply
buzsaw writes:
4. So my contention is that in order for a relatively young suddenly created sun to look and do what our sun is doing it would need to appear as our sun appears and do what our sun is doing, which means it must show an absolute minimum age of 30 million years and likely longer. No matter how you cut it, you have to admit that it would need to show adge even if it were created suddenly a few thousand years ago.
This is a new thread and I don't want to get into this again. But the post above shows you didn't get what I said 6 months ago. The protostar phase leaves NO evidence based upon several reasons I believe I explained in the past.
Anyway - I thought if God created it 6000 years ago then he would skip that phase and *poof* there the Sun is - as it appears above us now.

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Message 123 of 128 (118941)
06-26-2004 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Buzsaw
06-25-2004 11:33 PM


Let me see...
because dictionaries are not physics texts!

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