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Ok so would saying you guys think that there were millions of small specks be so bad? Each one containing what, say a couple galaxies? So our particular speck here would have had the sun, moon, planets, and stars that we can see with the human eye? And you think this makes it a little more believable?

Yet again we've had a so-called Christian who believes in the Creation theory misquote someone DELIBERATELY. The first one I came across on this forum was 14gipper. Arkathon, your behaviour here has been appalling. You claim to be a Christian, yet you have consistently insulted people who have tried to help you, especially Sylas. All the time you've been doing this, you've been proclaiming the glory of God and His Creation. Tell me, do you think that Christians are supposed to behave like you have? You see, I'm an practicing Christian AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I'M ASHAMED TO ADMIT THAT!!!!! I'm ashamed because I don't want anyone to think for even a minute that I would ever behave in this way. Yes, I'm an evolutionist, but I'm a Christian first. Do I really want to be part of a religion which can produce people who behave like you? If, for a single minute I believed all your justifications for your behaviour I would be heading for Atheist Central faster than a speeding bullet. I can see why there are so few Creationists who post on this site - they don't want to be associated with this type of moronic, rude, ungrateful and downright UNCHRISTIAN behaviour. Oh yeah, and before you have a go at me, I'm well aware of the log in my own eye - I'm gonna harvest it and carve a woodentop to keep you company! Nuff said!To the moderators - sorry, but I'm really ashamed and bleedin' furious that a fellow Christian could post messages like the ones posted to Sylas. I just blew my top! I'm off to say a hatful of "Hail Marys".

Trixie, I want to tell you that I respect your beliefs and if I have ever posted something offensive you or any other Christian I apologize at this moment. It is outlandish claims I think that tend to provoke the good people here on evc forum. Peace be with you.

Ned, could someone check out the ISP for Ark and 14gippper? They just seem soooooooooo similar with the same bad habits, like dishonesty in quoting other posters.

Are you saying that we should rule out telescopes and such? Why?What's the difference between looking at something with a pair of glasses on and looking at something with a telescope before your eyes?

Trixie, I understand your suspicions. I had checked this out when 14gipper first started posting on this thread after Ark's suspension. The IP addies are not the same.edited to add < I believe that the only reason that this sham of a thread has been allowed to continue so long is the excellent responses of Sylas and other contributors. The information from these responses more than makes up for the rest of the posts - The Queen[This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 04-02-2004]

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Ok so then as far as telescopes could see, all squished in a little space?

Thanks, Asgara, Oh Mighty Queen! I'd been suspicious since yesterday. Must just be a common character trait in literalists! Edit to catch up with Asgara. I agree with you, that's the only reason I've plodded on with this thread. Is it possible to get Sylas's posts collected together in one place as a sort of cosmology primer for those of us who know so little about this field? Also for newcomers who may miss these excellent posts.[This message has been edited by Trixie, 04-02-2004]

Yes. That's something we all can agree upon.That's sort of the whole point.

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Yet again we've had a so-called Christian who believes in the Creation theory misquote someone DELIBERATELY.

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Completely untrue. Look at the post here where his quote are posted. Let's face it, they think stars were in a little area, as big as a speck. Your accusation is false.

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yet you have consistently insulted people who have tried to help you

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There's a difference between insulting people, like silas has done to me calling names, or eta, and holding up the big bang theory for what it is, a joke. Once again, you are false.

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ungrateful and downright UNCHRISTIAN behaviour

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Ungrateful? You think I need to believe the stuff to be grateful? I would be grateful if people stopped believing in the stuff. I'm grateful people answered speck questions. (AS best they could which was only so clear). Unchristian? Soon as I disbelieve the bible, you'll likely think I'm getting religion.

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Oh yeah, and before you have a go at me

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You were nice early on in the thread, you're safe. Evolution and the big bang, however are not!

If you read previous posts you would know.You state that the speed of light before separation was instantaneous. This means that as soon as it left source (S) it arrived at site (U).At the moment of separation the light is switched at the source from the express lane to the feeder lane and must travel the full length of the feeder lane to reach (U), while the previous photon traveled the express lane and was already at (U)After the separation (in the feeder lane) it travels at the speed of light, 300,000,000 m/s. and thus cannot reach site (U) from the reaches of the universe that are further in light-years than the universe is old in years. For the first moments this holds even for the sun, so the universe is dark at that moment.

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by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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This must be some kind of acid Kool-Aid trip left over from the 60's, for it sure has no possible relevance to the behavior of light. Perhaps you can explain why you need flavours of light when that is outside the physics of light?

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we are limited in our ability to understand
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If you turned of blue and green light you would still have red light traveling at the speed of light according to your concept, instantaneous before, 300,000,000 m/s (3e8 m/s) after separation. If anything this analogy is all wet. Can you explain why I should be more concerned about red light than blue or green? The contradiction remains the same independent of color (which also does not match observations). Or are you using straws for hoses?

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

Back to the highway analogy with the highway going from (S) to (U), you have an express lane where the speed is instantaneous and a feeder lane where the speed is 3e8 m/s.Light traveling down the highway before the separation takes the express lane, after the separation it takes the feeder laneAt the moment of separation the light is switched at the source from the express lane to the feeder lane and must travel the full length of the feeder lane to reach (U), while the previous photon traveled the express lane instantly and was already at (U) ... a period of darkness ensues.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

If the hose was full of water and you switched it to honey then there would be a period of time before honey came out of the end. The difference between water and honey would be noticeable to most people, and those that wouldn't, shouldn't go shopping for honey (If you don't succeed on the first try, then skydiving may not be for you).This is the flip of the dimmed down transition "process" (now 12 days instead of instant) discussed. Those stars within the age-light-year limit (ie -- less than 6200 light-years away) would be showing "honeyed" light while those outside the limit would be showing "watered" light and there is no observable difference in light at any known distance from earth.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}