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Melchior
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Message 226 of 308 (97201)
04-02-2004 4:54 PM
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04-02-2004 4:50 PM


Re: was it small or not?
How does this affect the gravitational effect of the black hole, then? How do you measure how far from the center of gravity that an object outside the hole is?
Why would a star that collapses into a black hole have a greater gravitational pull as a hole than as a star?

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RAZD
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Message 227 of 308 (97202)
04-02-2004 4:55 PM
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04-02-2004 4:54 PM


Re: was it small or not?
why do you think it does?

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Melchior
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Message 228 of 308 (97205)
04-02-2004 5:00 PM
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04-02-2004 4:55 PM


Re: was it small or not?
My previous impression was that since gravitational forces are dependant on the distance to the source, compressing something would mean that any external object or individual internal parts can be closer to all parts of whatever is causing the gravitational distortion.
I haven't really spent much time on black holes, though.

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simple 
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Message 229 of 308 (97279)
04-02-2004 6:50 PM
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04-02-2004 3:54 PM


spirit light
quote:
difference in consistency between "watered" light and "honeyed" light
Is your problem then in thinking the spiritual light could not exist? (because it's so much faster) And also could it have slowed down, (at seperation) like they did in the lab recently?

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simple 
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Message 230 of 308 (97282)
04-02-2004 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Melchior
04-02-2004 4:42 PM


Re: hose light
quote:
But changing the speed of light in 'mid-flight' changes several of it's properties, such as it's freqency. Frequency is what determines what colour and such we see light as.
So could it have been different before, and what we have now is the changed stuff? Or could it have been slowed down, to it's present state? Or could it be all that's left that could exist in a physical universe, so it has to be limited? Could the change be what red shift really is in some cases?

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simple 
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Message 231 of 308 (97284)
04-02-2004 7:00 PM
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04-02-2004 4:12 PM


Re: Christian behaviour standards!
You have made several posts, but I don't see where you have shown that this seperation could not have happened. Not that false accusations, and toddler news isn't fine too.

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simple 
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Message 232 of 308 (97285)
04-02-2004 7:02 PM
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04-02-2004 4:45 PM


light that's left
quote:
refuted by the nearer stars with no difference in light
try another epicycle add on processs flavour ...
Why would there be a nearer star difference?

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RAZD
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Message 233 of 308 (97304)
04-02-2004 8:17 PM
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04-02-2004 7:02 PM


Re: light that's yet to be
Why would there be a nearer star difference?
simply because you said so.
before separation: watered down speeded up light
after separation: honeyed up slowed down light
with the universe only 6200 years old by your (weaker than the Hindu Model) version the light from all stars inside 6200 light-year radius of earth is sending honeyed light, while further away all we get is the watered version.
You put the analogy in the hose. This is the reality that comes out of it.

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RAZD
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Message 234 of 308 (97305)
04-02-2004 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by simple
04-02-2004 2:23 PM


The Hindu Model still rules
Still no comment on the Hindo Model ... must be no problems with it that you can find ...
enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 235 of 308 (97307)
04-02-2004 8:32 PM
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04-02-2004 6:50 PM


not my problem but yours
you have defined the light and the speeds
are you now introducing a second form of light that is not in the model before? another epicycle -- you're now at 4 and still haven't shown how it can solve the problems inherent in your concept because of your chosen arbitrary date.
those problems do not occur for better models, like the Hindu one, which have sufficient age in them to match the observations of the universe down to teh CMB radiation from 13.7 billion light-years away.
need to go over them again?
refer to begining of the thread. they haven't been answered yet.
enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 236 of 308 (97308)
04-02-2004 8:36 PM
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04-02-2004 6:50 PM


twilight twolight my light you light
you still have the problem of light from stars nearer than 6200 light-years being full source light and light from further further stars being watered ....
and there are further problems to get to if you ever solve the first three ... (none yet ... keep trying)
enjoy.
(ps -- the Hindu Model owns this concept)

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simple 
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Message 237 of 308 (97311)
04-02-2004 8:39 PM
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04-02-2004 8:17 PM


Re: light that's yet to be
quote:
with the universe only 6200 years old by your (weaker than the Hindu Model) version the light from all stars inside 6200 light-year radius of earth is sending honeyed light, while further away all we get is the watered version.
No, our light everywhere in our universe would be the same light. You must have misunderstood, or I was not clear, or something.

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RAZD
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Message 238 of 308 (97312)
04-02-2004 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by simple
04-02-2004 4:06 PM


Re: hose flight fantasy light
The light we see now, I think was what was meant. Coming out of the hose still, but much slower than in a spiritual plane, yet in continueous flow. No?
ahahahahaa you are asking me what you meant?
enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 239 of 308 (97313)
04-02-2004 8:42 PM
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04-02-2004 4:06 PM


flat light
The light we see now, I think was what was meant. Coming out of the hose still, but much slower than in a spiritual plane, yet in continueous flow. No?
But no, it could not be just the stars because the separation would have been across the board throughout all space. Any light "created" by the separation would be uniformly distributed and result in a flat CMB distribution.
enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 240 of 308 (97314)
04-02-2004 8:44 PM
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04-02-2004 4:06 PM


Re: hose light
That the CMB distribution is not flat is another problem for you.
along with the red-shift ... and others
but try to handle the first three first eh?
enjoy.
(ps -- not a problem for the Hindu Model ...)

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