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coffee_addict
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Message 21 of 31 (248774)
10-04-2005 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by AndyA
10-04-2005 1:13 AM


Re: need concensus ?
AndyA writes:
Does global warming not provide sufficient evidence foor a changing rather than constant universe ?
Um... uh... you do realize that the universe is a whole heck of a lot bigger than the Earth and its atmosphere, right?

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Message 23 of 31 (248793)
10-04-2005 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by AndyA
10-04-2005 5:16 AM


Re: need concensus ?
AndyA writes:
A grain of sand is an excellent model for a solar system
Oh really? So, if we put a grain of sand under a microscope, we should see little balls orbiting a really big ball in the center?
Why would a larger physical Universe behave to different laws.
Because global warming doesn't adhere to any known law that we know of, except perhaps to the fact that CO2 in the atmosphere causes it to retain more heat from solar radiation.
If you are referring to an unquantifiable metaphysical universe, then there is no point in scientific discussion.
No, I didn't refer to it that way at all. I just think that it's a bit wacky to claim that global warming provides evidence of anything pertaining to the cosmos. Heck, I could claim that the moon proves that the universe is ever unchanging since the moon hasn't changed much for the last billion years or so except to gain a few more craters per million years.
The only discussion you can have is with a fellow traveller, or a science fiction writer.
Yeah... sure....
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coffee_addict
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Message 26 of 31 (248844)
10-04-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by AndyA
10-04-2005 10:04 AM


Re: need concensus ?
AndyA writes:
1. Under an electron microscope, an atom would appear like a solar system. A grain of sand would strongly resemble a galaxy. There would be clusters of nuclei around which revolve electrons, with large spaces in between.
Oh, so now it's not the solar system anymore. It's the galaxy.
You do realize that we have moved passed the Bohr's model a while back, right?
2. With respect to global warming, you have fallen into the concensus science trap. There is evidence to show that our planet has indeed warmed over the past 100 years, but that the cause is anthropogenic CO2, is far from certain. Increased solar activity + cosmic rays reaching our atmosphere account for something like 95% of global warming. The greenhouse proponents constitute a lucrative political “concensus” viewpoint that many atmospheric scientists reject . For starters you might look at Still Waiting For Greenhouse and search for papers particularly by Landscheidt, and Svensmark and Baliunas.
What you have just done is trying to change the subject. So, let's get back to the subject, shall we?
You claimed that global warming is evidence that the universe is ever changing. I pointed out that the moon is evidence that the universe is unchanging. Rather than nitpicking what I said, why don't we deal with the idea that one puny little data point (Earth) is evidence of anything on a cosmic scale, shall we?
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coffee_addict
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Message 27 of 31 (248845)
10-04-2005 12:28 PM
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10-04-2005 10:14 AM


Re: Getting OT here folk
AJ writes:
This is NOT on Global warming. Let's drop that discussion or move it to the appropriate thread.
With all do respect, I think we aren't that far off from the OT. The OT is about big bang and cosmology. Andy made a claim that global warming demonstrated a changing universe. I just want to make it clear that it's not as simple as that by pointing out that based on that logic we could say that the moon demonstrates that the universe is unchanging. On a grand scale, we are still discussing about cosmology.
ABE
The reason I am picking on this seemingly insignificant issue is because this same logic is used by creationists as "proof" against the big bang theory. They pointed out tiny little things like Uranus is on its side and Pluto's extreme elliptical orbit as "proof" that the universe must have been created by god exactly 6,000 years ago.
You know how I react to this kind of argument.
Anyway, you are probably right and I probably overreacted. No more responses from me to Andy in this thread, I swear.
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