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xXGEARXx
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Message 176 of 303 (369128)
12-11-2006 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Percy
12-11-2006 4:01 PM


Re: Big Bang
I thought the COBE nailed the whole "Big Bang" theory? It picked up the background radiation for a "beginning" to our universe, right? I think people still have this thought of an explosion in the vacuum of space. I thought it was more of an "expansion" of sorts? I guess what I am trying to type is the inflation theory falls in line with more of what I am reading here, right?
If not, then please explain to me how something can just move away from itself without an explosion, pop, whatever, if it is condensed in the first place.

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Message 186 of 303 (369441)
12-13-2006 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by DivineBeginning
12-12-2006 11:49 PM


Re: Guesses?
So why is it that the Grand Canyon, that for centuries was believed to be carved out over millions of years is now being shown to have been created in a matter of years? This was all over the news about a decade ago. It doesn't matter what you see now in the universe now, it's still only a guess as to what it was like EXACTLY, before it began or when it began. There are a lot of scientists that will agree with this point. When I was looking for people to back up their statements about something coming from nothing, they flooded me with ideas like "quantum fluctuations", and the Casimir Effect. I read all about them, as I had never heard of them, and they were in fact just theories. But these people had told me that they were hard evidence the matter can come from nothing. This is what I am talking about.
I see what you are trying to do, but this is where it fails... You are not educated in the fields you are trying to argue. It helps tremendously if one has been groomed in the areas you are discussing. Don't feel bad. I'm not either. I mean you cover geography and then the universe(quantum mechanics, quantum gravity, etc., etc.) Somehow, I don't think you have been heavily educated in these fields. Which is ok. I haven't either. It is just really tough to argue your point when you have not been submerged in said field for years. I see your passion and can appreciate it. I just think debating like this will only leave you upset trying to make your point.
But there is no theory or even model for Biblical Creationism that explains the evidence that is seen and available.
And most of them stink. The only one I have seen that I like is what follows along with the scientific evidence. It simply makes the most sense. Not to mention Biblical Creationism is quite new and part of the problem is some of these people are not even scientists or heavily educated with the fields they are arguing for either. Young earth creationism... say what? And their models get obliterated under scrutiny. The Bible is not meant as a literal interpretation. That should be very obvious.
Oh really? I could go on for quite some time on this one. The honey bees for instance. The only shape that maximizes honey storage (volume)is the octagonal sections they use. What about the communication they use by turning their bodies to tell the other bees where the nectar is? Please don't tell me they just learned how to "speak" to each other. What about the Arctic Terns, migrating tens of thousands of miles each year just to procreate? What kind of bird would do this unless it was created to do so? There are numerous animals in this world that have such amazing traits of survival, that one would have to be extremely closed minded to ignore the possibility of them being created.
And do you know what the naturalist says to that? It is what it is. You can not argue it was engineered because there isn't any evidence of the engineer. Now, I believe everything was created from The Divine Creator that exists outside of our timeline. It simply has to come down to how grounded one is with their faith.
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