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bkelly
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Message 27 of 80 (260076)
11-15-2005 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by cavediver
11-15-2005 1:31 PM


No center?
Cavediver,
As I read your post, there is no center of the universe.
The center of the universe is the spot in which the big bang occured. In theory, I think that spot could be identified in several ways. Measure the red shift of all the galaxies in all directions and plot some averages and histograms. Move a billion or two light years to the left, right, up, down etc and do the same a few times. I have not thought this all the way through but it seems that a center could be found.
Galaxies further from the center are moving faster that those closer to the center. That is whey they are further away. Find the place where the galaxies are moving away at the slowest rate and that should be the center.
Find the place where the average speed of all of the galaxies to the "left" (any arbitrary direction) is the same as all of those to the right (the opposite direction) and you have the center.

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bkelly
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Message 37 of 80 (260339)
11-16-2005 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by cavediver
11-15-2005 9:00 PM


Re: No center?
cavediver writes:
Think of the balloon analogy. Every point on the balloon skin thinks that every other point is moving away radially as the balloon inflates, so concludes that it is the centre of expansion of the balloon. But we can see from our vantage that there is no centre on the balloon surface.
The surface of a baloon is two dimensional. Our universe is three dimensional. The balloon does indeed have a center, but obviously it is not on the surface.
As we look out across the galaxy we find the far away galaxies are indeed moving faster the closer galaxies. The galaxies are not moving at the same speed.
cavediver writes:
Then every point is the centre. Every point in space was "born" in the big bang. In a finite closed big bang scenario, all of those points were coincident.
What has been done to prove that every point in space was "born" in the big bang rather than the big bang occurring at a point in space. I certainly do not have knowledge but I suspect we have found neither the the edge of the universe nor evidence that there is no edge.
Going back to the baloon analogy, every molecule of air in the baloon "thinks" that every other molecules is moving away. This does seem to be true. However, the molecule at the center will find symetrical movement in all directions while I suspect that the ones near the edge will not.
Hmm, I don't know how I would approach this but it seems like a good module to simulate with a computer. But continuing to think, it can probably be calculated by hand much easier. Has anyone done that?

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bkelly
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Message 41 of 80 (260400)
11-16-2005 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Funkaloyd
11-16-2005 8:13 PM


Re: No center?
re: The observed uniformity of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is pretty compelling, isn't it?
Recognizing I am not up to your level, I don't see that it is compelling.
NASA and others have found that is it not completely uniform. I don't understand the implications but here is a link.
WMAP Cosmology 101: Cosmic Microwaves Fluctuations

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