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Author Topic:   Why Lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)
Percy
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Message 6 of 346 (469168)
06-04-2008 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dont Be a Flea
06-03-2008 11:19 PM


You ask a great question, "Why lie?" The reason this is a great question is because lying in science is so futile. Replication is a requirement for any research result to become validated, and if other scientists can't replicate it then that can't happen. Any scientist who lies will always be eventually found out. There's just no point to it.
Science studies the real world, and the real world is always out there for anyone to study. Making claims about the real world that aren't true is a loser's game.
Probably the evolutionist lie that lasted the longest was Piltdown man, because the original fossils were kept closeted for many years. Once made available to study the fraud was quickly revealed. But it didn't take many years after their original "discovery" in Piltdown for them to become ignored. Even though the original fossils were rarely made available for study, the claims about them just didn't fit any of the other discoveries of ancient hominid fossils that were being made during that period, nor did it fit with what was known of British paleontology and geology. In other words, the real world was saying, "Nuh-uh!"
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 60 of 346 (469397)
06-05-2008 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Dont Be a Flea
06-04-2008 1:31 PM


Re: Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis.
I've fallen behind a bit, I started this reply yesterday but didn't get a chance to complete it 'til today.
Dont Be a Flea writes:
This story is actually the story of how a good Chinese scientist exposed a fraud by a Chinese farmer as soon as he got a chance to examine the fossil (or fossils, as it was made up of two).
An interesting fraud case, but that's all.
Then why was the banner still hanging in the Museum of Natural History last year?
What makes you think such a banner of Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis ever existed, let alone hung in the Museum of Natural History last year?
Your position is that scientists as a group cannot be trusted, but scientists are just people, and for that reason they are heir to all the weaknesses and foibles of people everywhere. The proportion of scientists willing to lie or cheat or mislead is no greater than the proportion in any other segment of society.
This is why the most appropriate response to your expressed distrust of scientists is the list of things about which creationists are dishonest, because if you apply the same criteria you used for scientists then you can only conclude that creationists can't be trusted, either.
What science has working in its favor is that it is based upon real world observations. The goal of science is the closest correspondence possible between theory and the real world. Any scientist who misrepresents what the real world says will eventually get caught. Always.
--Percy

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