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ringo Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
I have no way of knowing that. And neither do you. Do you really think she changed her mind? Or simply told a convenient lie? And neither does anybody who might try to "impeach" her. If you had put a moment's thought into it, you would not have asked if she could be impeached.
Sarah Bellum writes:
If that was a crime, every politician on earth would be in prison. Or maybe there was a third alternative, that she used enough cleverly chosen verbiage so that what she said wasn't a lie, but could be interpreted by her listeners in disparate ways?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Wrong again. I will demand source for all quotes. Many quotes attributed to famous people are not true.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
You refuse to defend your op but feel fine with more off topic crap.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 850 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
This just proves my point. You say "Many quotes attributed to famous people are not true," which is certainly a true statement. Everyone knows it's true. So there's no need to provide references for it. So you didn't provide references. And of course nobody is calling you out for not providing references.
That is how we do things in this forum.
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Sarah Bellum writes: In the days of majority leader Lyndon Johnson people like Manchin and Sinema wouldn't have been able to pull their stunts. Lyndon Johnson was Senate majority leader in the 85th Congress (1957-1959) with a 2 seat majority. He was Senate majority leader again in the 86th Congress (1959-1961) with a 28 seat majority. Chuck Shumer is Senate majority leader today in the 117th Congress (2021-2023) with a 0 seat majority with the Vice President casting the tie vote. You are correct that Manchin and Sinema wouldn't be able to wield the power they do were they in either of Johnson's Congresses, but it has nothing to do with Johnson and everything to do with the fact that he had an actual majority, especially in the 86th Congress. Though I can't say I agree with the specifics of your other comments, I understand how you could feel that way. Robert Heinlein once wrote that the mere fact of desiring public office should be disqualifying. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Self awareness seems to be an issue. Goodbye.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Sarah Bellum writes: This just proves my point. You say "Many quotes attributed to famous people are not true," which is certainly a true statement. Everyone knows it's true. So there's no need to provide references for it. So you didn't provide references. And of course nobody is calling you out for not providing references. I don't know if anyone's bothered to document the degree of misattribution of quotes on the Internet, but I can't count the number of times I've noted that it wasn't actually so-and-so who said such-and such. I don't know if it's true, but it feels like most quotes get attributed to Mark Twain, Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. As Mark Twain said, "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on." --Percy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Edited by AZPaul3, . Edited by AZPaul3, . Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 850 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I've counted about a dozen posts you've made. None said anything substantive. Most were just whining. How can you say "goodbye" if you never were here in the first place?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 850 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
When Stephen Hawking appeared on Star Trek, Brent Spiner made a joke about Einstein appearing on Gunsmoke. Some people took it seriously.
Albert Einstein and Gunsmoke
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ringo Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
I distinctly remember an episode of Gunsmoke where Sammy Davis Jr. plays a telegraph operator who's bored with his life. When he intercepts a telegram from Dodge city to a notorious gunslinger, the next thing we see is Sammy arriving in Dodge City dressed as the notorious gunslinger, all black leather and silver conchos, intending to take his place. He soon comes to the attention of Marshall Dillon, who tells him there will be no gunfighting in "his" town. When Stephen Hawking appeared on Star Trek, Brent Spiner made a joke about Einstein appearing on Gunsmoke. Some people took it seriously. The memory (from fifty years ago) is very clear in my mind. But Sammy Davis Jr. was never on Gunsmoke. The episode that I remember so clearly is from The Rifleman. Memory can play strange tricks, like when you drive by here every month or so with no memory whatsoever of what a fool you made of yourself last time."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 850 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
And your playful (if content-free) gibes are one of the many reasons why I make time in my schedule to get out my phone and check on the activity at this website!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Content-free?
Then you missed a nice take down.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 850 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Really? If you say so, I will do my best to believe it, but . . .
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Percy Member Posts: 22947 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Sarah Bellum writes: So does this mean you're going for the third alternative, that she used enough cleverly chosen verbiage so that what she said wasn't a lie, but could be interpreted by her listeners in disparate ways? I quoted the relevant actual exchange from her confirmation hearings on her nomination to the Supreme Court. If you want to point to the parts of it you're thinking of then we can talk about it, but this message contains far too little information, just suggestions she was lying while not bothering to indicate where she lied. I'm still wondering why you're focused on Kagan when three justices responsible for overturning Roe clearly and unambiguously lied during their confirmation hearings. --Percy
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