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Tanypteryx
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Message 1 of 103 (817347)
08-16-2017 7:24 PM


The Eclipse Conspiracy
The Eclipse Conspiracy -
Something doesn’t add up
quote:
Let’s follow the money a little further. Hotels along the path of totalitya region drawn up by Obama-era NASA scientistshave been sold out for months. Some of those hotels are owned and operated by large multinational corporations. Where else do these hotels have locations? You guessed it: Washington, D.C.
In fact the entire politico-scientifico-corporate power structure is aligned behind the eclipse. This includes the mainstream media. How many news stories have you read about how the eclipse won’t happen?
How many here are planning to view the eclipse on August 21? I had originally planned to camp along the John Day River, a few miles east of the town of Spray, Oregon, but then we started hearing that 1.5 million people were expected to visit Oregon for the event. An estimated 12,000 people were expected in Spray, a dinky place, population 160. It is going to be the biggest traffic jam in the history of Oregon.
It is starting to become known as The great Eclipse Cluster-Fuck of 2017.
It is right in the middle of wildfire season and emergency services are going to be overwhelmed by the number of normal emergencies that occur in any group of 1.5 million people, let alone that many who are stuck in traffic jams on curvy 2 lane highways in the eastern Oregon outback.
My house is in the path of totality, not the middle, but we will have over 1 minute in the shadow. We are having a party the night before with kids and grandkids and will have 2 telescopes set up. I hope to get a few photos, but I learned from past solar eclipses to not spend much of totality taking photos. Much more memorable to just observe.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : time warped into the present

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 4 of 103 (817351)
08-16-2017 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
08-16-2017 7:47 PM


Seems fair to me.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 5 of 103 (817352)
08-16-2017 7:50 PM
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08-16-2017 7:47 PM


I heard people in Madras, OR are renting rooms in their houses for $6000.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 7 of 103 (817361)
08-16-2017 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
08-16-2017 9:40 PM


That seems fair.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 16 of 103 (817601)
08-18-2017 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Taq
08-18-2017 12:36 PM


I watched the Total eclipse in February 1979 from Rattlesnake Mountain near Richland, Washington. One of the neatest observations was the "sunset effect" in all directions. We could see a 360-degree sunset where the sun was shining outside the shadow. It was completely unexpected.
It was foggy and cloudy where we were until the very last-minute before totality and then the clouds opened up and there it was in all its glory! My wife got some great photos in that moment before totality with just a sliver of the sun showing and a "fogbow" around the sun and hooded people standing over their tripods in the fog, very druidish looking!
When the clouds opened up there were cheers from groups on the peaks all around us.
Totality itself was one of the most personally moving experiences of my life. The solar corona during that eclipse was quite diminished because it occurred during a period of low solar activity. We have been in the middle of a solar max period so the corona should be quite spectacular.
Hoping for clear skies!
Edited by Tanypteryx, : spelling

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 18 of 103 (817605)
08-18-2017 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Taq
08-18-2017 2:42 PM


I have heard reports from local farmers that there has been a rush on buying goats, presumably for pagan sacrifices.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 22 of 103 (817936)
08-21-2017 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by New Cat's Eye
08-21-2017 4:04 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
That totality tho!
10 out of 10 - would do again.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I have to say it is one of the most moving experiences I have ever had.
Last night I had decided not to photograph the event. My daughter and her family got to our place at 6:00am and we all started making our final plans. My grandson and I drove over to check on the place I planned to set up and watch and there were already people starting to show up. We decided to go to my photo lab instead. It has a nice big yard and an unobstructed view.
My son-in-law and I each have telescopes so we got them setup before anything started and I went ahead and mounted a camera figuring I might as well get shots of the sun as the moon is slowly covering it.
So, as we are getting really close to totality I am feeling comfortable with my shooting and decide to go ahead and shoot a couple bracketed sets of 9 exposures.
My first shot as totality begins captured Bailey's Beads which are just the last edge of the sun shining between mountain peaks on the moon.
My next shot caught just the tail-end of Bailey's Beads and the Corona is more apparent.
This shot shows the Corona in its full glory.
And this final shot caught the Diamond Ring Effect which is similar to Bailey's Beads but a little more intense and that signals the end of Totality.
I completely understand why people become eclipse chasers.
Enjoy.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 28 of 103 (818006)
08-22-2017 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by dronestar
08-22-2017 11:40 AM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Great photos Tany. Love the detailed corona you captured.
Could you share your photo specs: lens size, filters, exposure times?
Thanks I'm pleased you like them.
Could you share your photo specs: lens size, filters, exposure times?
This is the setup I used. It is a Questar Telescope with a Nikon D700 DSLR mounted using a bellows. I devised the mount myself to take advantage of an interesting feature of catadioptric optics. With this telescope design extending the distance between the telescope and camera increases the magnification of the system. So, by using a bellows I have a setup that behaves like a high magnification "zoom".
The aperture of the telescope is f16 and with extension the "effective aperture" increases so this setup was about f19.
This shows the Solar Filter that I had mounted before and after totality.
My exposure data was:
#1 f19@ 1/320sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 1.3 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.
#2 f19@ 1/125sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 1 stop from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.
#3 f19@ 1/80sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 2.67 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.
$4 f19@ 1/320sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 2.67 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.
I set the camera to delay exposure for 1 second after the mirror lifted to minimize vibration.
The Questar Telescope has a Polar Equatorial mount with a clock drive that I could have used but the new digital SLR cameras are are much heavier than the old film cameras and would have required a counterweight on the front of the telescope. Setting up the tripod in the polar equatorial position so the base of the telescope is aligned with the earth's axis is a pain in the ass, in my opinion, so I usually try and avoid it unless I am trying to shoot really long astro-photos.
Questar Telescopes are built in the U.S. and they were the first to use the Catadioptric design. It allows compact scopes to have higher magnification and resolving power with easy portability, which is not possible with refractive or standard reflective telescopes. Questar started building their telescopes in 1954 and have won many engineering and design awards over the years.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 30 of 103 (818012)
08-22-2017 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by NoNukes
08-22-2017 1:50 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Totally was way better than any eclipse picture or video I have ever seen. The corona was spectacular. I was yelling and practically drooling on myself. The corona is a moving twisting, shining, beautiful halo of white gas, shining like a diamond, yet shimmering, vibrating... I'm running out of verbs and adjectives. I completely get why people chase these things.
I spent almost all my time during totality looking up. I only had to look away to recenter the image in the camera's field of view. I had the camera pre-programmed to take bracketed bursts, so all I had to do was push the button on the cable release.
The last 5 minutes before totality were when the growing darkness was most noticeable. The light had a unique quality that to me was different from anything else I have seen except during an eclipse. The view during totality was even more surreal and totally unique.
Did shoot a few cell phone images of the crescent shaped patterns created by the light shining through trees.
We were in a neighborhood so we couldn't see the distant horizon to observe effects of the shadow or the sun shining on terrain outside the shadow. I also didn't even think to look for stars or planets.
Rational thought seems to have fled during totality. Amazing that a brief 2 minute event can have such a profound effect in your life. I would say substantial, immense, enormous, colossal, massive, mammoth, vast, prodigious, tremendous, gigantic, giant, monumental, stupendous, gargantuan, elephantine, titanic, mountainous, monstrous; More than orgasmic!
We did not stay for much of the post totality part. We got back in the car and fought traffic back to North Carolina. Took way longer to get home than it did to get there. Of course, the eclipse sights dominated the conversation on the way back. We talked a little bit about 2024 and how difficult/easy it might be to get to other eclipses before that one.
My daughter and her family stayed for about 5 hours after the main event, primarily because the traffic on Interstate 5 was completely stopped from Eugene to Portland. When they did head for home they had to get off the freeway because traffic was still barely moving and even secondary highways were clogged. What would normally be a 1 hour drive took them 4 hours.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 31 of 103 (818018)
08-22-2017 4:26 PM


Eclipse Crowds in Oregon
I don't know if anyone will ever have an accurate count of the number of people who came to Oregon for the eclipse.
Big Summit Prairie is a large ranch in the Ochoco Mountains of Central Oregon a few miles from the cattle ranch where I grew up. There was a Oregon Eclipse 2017 At Big Summit Prairie, Crook County, OR event planned that drew an estimated 110,000 people at $300 each.
This is in the middle of the Oregon outback, many miles from the nearest small town. From what I have read there were only a few dozen showers and portable latrines.
It was kind of a combination Woodstock/Burning Man festival.
I especially like this sign, wondering what it takes to be labeled "a frothin' weirdo" at an event like this?
Symbiosis lights up the forest for thousands of revelers
Oregon Eclipse Festival Pairs Glitter And Heavy Machinery
Edited by Tanypteryx, : Added a couple more links

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 34 of 103 (818038)
08-22-2017 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by NosyNed
08-22-2017 6:47 PM


Re: Eclipse Crowds in Oregon
I don't know anything accurate but we were lined up in traffic twice trying to head back north.
It was worth it though.
So, you got to see totality?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 38 of 103 (818110)
08-23-2017 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by dronestar
08-23-2017 1:08 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Seriously, about the solar filter, is it like the mylar eclipse glasses we all responsibly used? Or something completely else?
Something completely different. It is a specially coated optical glass filter that screws in. It is even vented to avoid heat build up. I bought my Questar around 1972 and the solar filter was $300 then, I just checked and they are $625 now.
Do the images you posted need to be retouched at all?
I shoot raw files and use Adobe Raw Converter to do my first pass processing. This includes applying calibration profile to the image specific for my camera, a minimal sharpening and noise reduction if needed, and then exposure and tonality fine tuning. Then I open them in Adobe Photoshop and may do further processing and resizing for print or the web and an output sharpening specific to print size or web.
These eclipse images were given minimal raw processing and then just resized for the web. Any other processing would probably have ruined them. I still need to go through the rest of the images to see if I have any that are better.
I bracketed my exposures, so I want to see if I can pick out images with different levels of exposure that reveal different details within the corona and prominences that can be combined in a composite high dynamic range (HDR) image. Some of the subtle details in the corona can easily be lost if they are over exposed.
I also have not done anything with my pre and post totality images. I saw some people captured the space station crossing the sun's face so I want to check to see if I might have caught that. I could see sunspots while I was shooting those images.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 50 of 103 (818362)
08-27-2017 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by NosyNed
08-27-2017 2:07 PM


Re: Off to see the Jar
We are all going to visit Jar in 2024. He is close to the optimal location.
Road trip! I'm in!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 52 of 103 (818366)
08-27-2017 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jar
08-27-2017 3:01 PM


Almost total in 2023 as well.
Another case where "almost" just doesn't cut it!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 60 of 103 (917331)
04-02-2024 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by dronestar
04-02-2024 2:57 PM


Re: Eclipse 2024, . . . this time it's personal
dronestar in Message 58 writes:
Anybody else in the path of the eclipse?
I am on the road right now to Indiana to watch the eclipde, On the Road Again.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3

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