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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Like they failed before the Flood? Kill them all and let God sort them out?
Divine Intervention is needed if humans fail.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The Christian End Timers have a vested interest in circling the wagons against the world. "Bring your cash inside the circle. Don't waste it on touchy feely things like feeding the hungry. Give it to us and we'll use it for the Glory of God."
... the Humanist manifestos are similar to what many Christian End Timers have been saying will be the new touchy feely global religion---
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Matthew 25. It's what Jesus said. What we worry about is the idea that god is in all of us and that an external Deity is un needed. This will prove to be a giant lie for society...to fall for this innocent and benevolent sounding altruistic belief. You don't have to say, "Lord! Lord!" That is unneeded. What is needed is to be benevolent and altruistic.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I know what the fundies think. The point is that they're wrong. The basic idea is that the world will be run by fallen humanity, though calling itself Christianity, and everybody is going to love the Antichrist -- except the real Christians -- It's the fundies who will follow the AntiChrist while the rest of the world gets more secular. Fundies are just itching for somebody like Ronald Reagan to take us back to the "good old days". THAT is the AntiChrist, who offers the (fundy) world easy solutions to their problems.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's why I used Reagan as an example. When he rises from the dead, the prophecy will be fulfilled.
I don't plan to vote for Trump. Phat writes:
I don't think the humanists are promising a magical end to blood, sweat, toil and tears like some Christians are.
Jesus would have no problem suffering...but we do.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I changed too, when I got rid of the God baggage. I think I became a better person by taking responsibility for myself instead of using "God's will" as an excuse.
... I believe that I was filled with a new worldview.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Conservative Christians will grasp at every straw to justify their paranoia. "The millennium" has been any minute now for more than a millennium. Two millennia from now, when Botswana is the world superpower, conservative Christians will call it a fulfillment of prophecy.
As you know, conservative Christians warn this to be an omen of a false global religion.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Conservative Christians have already embraced a fake religion. Critics would say that the liberal Christians will embrace the fake new world religion. Comments? "New world religion" is a fantasy. The importance of religion is declining and the existing religions are fragmenting.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why do you keep saying that? How many times do I have to tell you it isn't true?
What I suggest is that if it DID happen, and IF the GOD I market were real, you likely would defiantly refuse Him even to the point of death... Phat writes:
You have not demonstrated that your religion includes any "relationship" with God. The importance of relationship may be at an all time high - whatever that means - but do fake relationships or imagined relationships count?
And yet the importance of relationship is at an all time high.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You tell me. You're the one who claims to have the relationship. How is your relationship with God different from my relationship with long John Silver?
How would such a relationship be demonstrated? Phat writes:
Yes, we do. A traffic jam is not something that can just be ignored.
Otherwise, we have a huge traffic jam behind a lack of evidence. Phat writes:
And I'm not buyin' it.
My point is the God I market won't give you the evidence. Phat writes:
When I'm buying a car, if it won't run that's a sticking point. Yes.
I assert that you use the lack of evidence as a sticking point and won't step into belief.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
Not to me He doesn't. Haven't we been through this before?
God responds
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You admit that you're marketing a belief.
The point is that you are not "buying" a belief. Phat writes:
I'm not buying it because I don't believe a real God would hide. I refuse to accept your excuse that your God is hiding. If He came out of hiding I would not refuse Him.
So whats the difference between refusing the God I market and not buying it? Phat writes:
I've told you more than once before, belief and evidence are not related. if there is evidence, you don't need belief. If there is no evidence, you're allowed to believe but one belief is as good as another.
You refuse to believe without evidence. True or False? Phat writes:
I've seen the "results" too and many of them are bad.
New Cats Eye has not seen the product but has seen the results.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes: ... it's still the difference between my relationship with God and your relationship with long John Silver. You claim that God responds to you. If I claimed that Long John Silver responds to me, people would call me crazy. So why shouldn't we call you equally crazy?
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
We also know that (your) God is a fictional character. Just ask a billion Muslims.
We know that Long John Silver is a fictional character.... New Cat's Eye writes:
A lot of people have a "personal relationship" with their favourite soap opera too.
... a lot of people talk about their relationship with God. New Cat's Eye writes:
I'm just saying you're not fundamentally different from me.
But you can still call me crazy if you want to.
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ringo Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Correct. Evidence is evident.
After all, if you found no evidence, there is no reason to believe that any other human could possibly find any. Phat writes:
Some Muslims, Christians and Jews would agree. Some wouldn't. I agree with jar who claims that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism worship the same God. What about the Egyptian gods or the Greek gods or the Hindu gods or the Norse gods? Don't you consider them fictional characters?
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