A Believers Critique Of The Humanist Manifesto

I'm also not sure what to expect but more and more Christians are expecting some kind of worldwide political manifestation soon that is thought of as a Final Act before Jesus returns. But it's not a nonreligious system, it's a religion that will present itself as Christianity though also incorporating most of the religions of the world, and most of the world will consider it to be Christianity. The whole idea of an Antichrist doesn't make sense unless he puts himself in the place of Christ and heads up a religion in Christ's name. (My favorite for the position is the Pope.)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I wonder how many Christian ministries you keep tabs on, from which you get emails and news reports and that sort of thing? Not very many I'd guess, but these are my source of the impression that there is a striking increase in the expectation among Christians that we are witnessing the beginning of the End Times. Ever since I became a believer in the late 80s there has been a fair amount of end times talk among Christians, but that's increased enormously over about the last decade. Ministries that don't usually have much to say about it are now talking about it.ABE: I've actually heard some of the big-name preachers on the radio giving sermons on how to live under the sort of persecution that would be faced in the End Times, and though you may think this is standard fare I can assure you it is not, it's quite startling to be hearing such messages. /abeBut perhaps I'm missing what you think is my factual error? Please enlighten. Ah, that old canard. Oh well. That could be, but this dwindling minority does seem to be more strongly than ever convinced the Grand Finale is rapidly approaching. I've even heard reports that it's not just Christians who have this sense of something big coming. However, as I said, there's been buzz on the subject ever since I became a believer, so even though it appears to be increasing and spreading, it could be some time before it's realized.If it waits too long of course I'll have to give up on my idea that this Pope is going to be the Antichrist. He's already up there in years. But there's a neverending supply of Popes. It's just that this one is such a good candidate, the very first Jesuit, very ecumenical and aggressive about including everybody under the wing of the RCC, and arguably even more popular than John Paul.I wonder if the Humanists will embrace him? He's so willing to embrace everybody, including humanists and atheists and probably even Satanists, that's quite possible. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't know if there's truth in what you say about the decline or it's just your wishful thinking. I know Christianity has just about disappeared in Europe and the UK, but that's a limited frame of reference since it's growing in China and other parts of the world. However, assuming you are right it makes an interesting bit of evidence FOR The end times, because what has to happen for all that to play out is for all the fake forms of Christianity to get united together in the One World Religion headed by the Antichrist, leaving only a "remnant" of true believers.The failure of prior predictions is a really weird one, since rather than proving the prophecies wrong it just brings us closer to their fulfillment. The Jews were looking for the appearance of the Messiah for some time too, misidentifying various characters who presented themselves, and when the true Messiah came some recognized Him but many didn't. I think we'll have a similar situation as the end times unfold. Many are going to miss it the way so many missed getting on the ark and got swept away in the Flood. I think you are the one who fails at that but be that as it may, my "new car" is getting awfully old for your notion to hold up. Instead of an increase in awareness of the end times I should be seeing a decrease if your analogy to the car made any sense.Is there any way to fit this into the topic or is it hopelessly lost?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How odd to think the End Timers stand to benefit in any way from the End Times. The basic idea is that the world will be run by fallen humanity, though calling itself Christianity, and everybody is going to love the Antichrist -- except the real Christians -- he's going to be very popular, offer the world all those solutions to problems found in the Humanist Manifestoes, along with some good old time pagan religion, very likely complete with some pretty fancy witchcraft to dazzle and bemuse. Until he brings back the Inquisition and the Holocaust and all the other murderous programs of the various isms we've seen over the last century, all of which may be part of the great tribulation that is supposed to begin about midway through his seven-year reign. By the time all that gets going you may not like him very much either. "The world" should love and worship him during the honeymoon period though. But my point was that we fundies will be his first victims. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Trust jar to be sure we have lots of wolves in the hen house.

Yes, stupidest thing ever since Islam wants to rule the world, and Satanism is inimical to all sane culture.

It's a stupid law of the land if it allows freedom to openly totalitarian murderous "religions."

Talking about me behind my back? Such fine debate form there. Not to mention the lies about me.Everything I say about Christian belief is based on the Bible, including the Moral Law of God. And you are lying about what I've said about gays since I have explicitly objected to "discrimination against gays" as my argument is ALWAYS about gay marriage only and not about gays as such. Gay marriage violates the Biblical definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.Of course Christians are to obey all the secular laws, EXCEPT WHEN THEY CONFLICT WITH GOD'S LAW.Your post reminds me an awful lot of the way the Democrats are trying to impeach Trump, just by making up stuff they call impeachable though it isn't. Maybe this is becoming the method of choice for the Left on every topic.

Where did I talk about you on my blog? It would have been years ago if I did and I have no idea what you are talking about. It wouldn't have been a lie either.You are not allowed to redefine what I say. Objecting to gay marriage and refusing to serve it is not about gays as such, who are to be treated exactly as everyone else is and I've neer said anything different. MARRIAGE IS AN INSTITUTION that is not for gays, period. YOU DO NOT GET TO REDEFINE THIS.I deny that I did what I did? WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?And what doesw sin have to do with anything? They are making up impeachable doings thaqt are not impeachable. They are lying and lying and lying and lying and lying, all to get Trump out of office strictly because they don't like him, the tens of millions of us who voted for him don't matter.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sin? Now we are accusing fellow debaters of sin? Now sin is a debate issue? I'm wrong about gay marriage because of my sin? And Trump is being impeached for sin? No wonder the world is going to Hell. With this kind of evil fingerpointing going on maybe we ARE in the very last days.

What did I say about you on my blog? I know it wasn't a lie because I don't lie, but I don't remember it. Is that why you've been so unbelievably nasty to me all these years?Stop lying about me. There is no discrimination against gays as such, they are not barred from anything anyone else may enjoy. Marriage is not for gays.Stop lying about me. I support Trump for his policies, for objecting to abortion, for wanting orderly legal immigration, for wanting a wall at our souther bordern, for improving the economy, putting millions to work, taking them off food stamps, above all and primarily for loving America and putting American interests above all others. He has done nothing wrong in all the Left's attempts to hang something on him. He did nothing wrong in the phone call, and he'd already been exonerated of any wrongdoinjg by the Mueller report: no collusion, no obstruction of justice, Now they are trying to find something else. Everythign they find is something they invent to be something it isn't. They call it impeachable but it's not. Oh they may impeach him anyway and get away with it but all that means is that America is dead.

The state's definition of marriage is irrelevant when there is a definition given by God, and it's God's Christians are obliged to honor: marriage is beteween one man and one woman, period.

It's no longer a free country so I'm not allowed to obey God over the state, which means I'll obey God if I'm put in the position to choose, and take my punishment.

Gen 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I didn't say they OBEYED the law, I merely stated the law.