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Davidjay 
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Message 260 of 1482 (811118)
06-05-2017 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


24 days dictates knowledge if when BEGINNING was
Sorry Faith, but allow me to differ with you, as your theory of dating helps you compromise and extend the history of the Earth and Creation.
Creation in 24 Hours Days
I'm a little baffled, Dave that after you presented a mathematical case in favor of 24-hour periods of creation, you
falter by stating you are firmly entrenched into ”theistic evolution’. Of course everyone is entitled to their
belief or non-belief, and even some sort of compromise if they prefer. But because you have brought up and explained
your 24 hour time period concept so well, let’s further expand on it as it absolutely contradicts the millions and
billions of years that are apparently needed by a weak, unsure of Himself and His direction, type God.
This weak God of most churches and religionists that apparently uses a sort of hit and miss, random chance and
lucky mutation method in perfectly balancing His worlds within worlds systems is however an illusion of their minds,
rather than the true Creator.
So Yes, according to Moses, who spend 40 days and 40 nights in face to face talks with the LORD of Creation, on the
3rd day Our common Creator made plant life (Gen 1:9-13) But if ”theistic evolution is true, and it took ages for the
4th day to roll around, then obviously all the plant life wold be dead without the photosynthesis of the Sun’s rays
which were created on the 4th Day. This is just a further contradiction for those that try to mesh evolution into the
Genesis account. It just doesn’t work and confuses the simple truths involved. The Genesis account gives a very
specific schedule of events in exact chronological order. Therefore once you start rearranging days, and times and its
order, you would definitely be negating it into fantasy and non-fiction which is quite a scientific slap in the face to
both Moses and the Creator, IMO.
But this time, let’s take this Genesis account as literal and precise as is all scripture unless it states otherwise.
Let’s assume that 24 hours means 24 hours, and that it is a sacred measure of time, just as the Lord has sacred
measures of distance like the cubit and the furlong. Because of this, the Lord of Creation could confirm this time
period on Day 4, by rotating the Earth and revolving it around the Sun, with a speed of 24 hours per rotation around its
axis.
For before this time, there was no Sun to rule the day and no Moon to rule the night, for the LORD himself was the
light as will be the case again in His Heavenly, New Jerusalem, where He will enlighten the Bride and the whole
world and worlds from within His City or Home. (See New Jerusalem is a Crystal Pyramid).Plant life can obviously
live with His light shown upon them but they absolutely could not have lived billions of years waiting for the Sun to
start shining. So it was obviously a 24 hour period. For after anything is brought into material being it is in the
dimension of time and effected by the 3rd law of thermodynamics and the direction of time.
Therefore once the Lord started his creative process time started. From Day 1, when the Lord created light at light
speed, the direction of time has been set and the barrier into the spiritual world has been made. Above the speed of
light, there is no time as we are into eternity as mentioned in Revelations and below the speed of light, we are bound
by the disorganization and eventual death of all systems. This is called the 3rd LAW of thermodynamics, which is
another absolute proof against Evolution. Because as the law says, everything goes to a state of less organization if left
alone. Consequently without the Hand of God, random chance and freak mutations absolutely could not have created
the balance, symmetry and beauty of what we call LIFE.
Yet, we of course, know this as birth, growth, aging, and death in the material plane. It is the cycle of time that only
rebirth into the spiritual can overcome. Entropy or the going to a lesser state of organization is the direction of time as
everything heads toward chaos materially even as we will head toward the Lord's consummation as man has been
given the opportunity to rule himself without the guidance of the LORD.
When the Lord of Creation in the Eternal World started His Creation, He literally had to slow things down, spiral
them into being (SEE Golden Mean Spiral) with a speed less than His all-knowing all present, all powerful speed. And
from that beginning the creation of light (at light speed) the flow of time and the direction of time had begun, until
there will be time no more after the Millenium. For this material world was meant to decay even though he set up
perfect barriers and laws to keep things going to suit His purpose and His - Story.
One of these limits is the speed of light, that less than intelligent Christian scientists like Lambert Dolphin have
proposed is losing its absolute value. As a compromising theistic evolutionists, he has proposed that its speed has been
losing velocity over billions of years so that light is no longer the light of the past. (See templemount.com). I mean, he
even studied the Giza pyramid for the Illuminati it appears and didn't understand the 'golden section ' or anything of
the geometry when he was trying to uncover Isis tomb. But such is the strange, contradicting and shallow world of
those that compromise the Lord's standards. For the speed of light, like gravity, like the nuclear forces, like the Lord's
laws haven't been changing with time, but have remained constant like His Word and dependable like His Word. The
speed of light is still the barrier between the spiritual and physical worlds, and even though some have been
accelerated through the tunnel into the other world to tell us about it, most of us will just have to accept it as a
scientific fact.
This co-existent spirit world as proven by Einstein really does exist as the Bible states, and there is a time space
continuum, that is being broken by the mad scientists with their mad experiments on the 'Philadelphia' and their time
warps as done at 'Montauk.', but we don't have to be afraid because if we have the Lord, nothing can separate us from
Him and our eventual destiny and home. The Lord has never lost one of his sheep and prophecy time line has an END
to it. There is a specific number of days foretold concerning the last seven years. It is exact, we also only have 1260
Days to go through the Tribulation even though the Anti-Christ will again be trying to change times and laws. We, the
Lord's sheep, will not get lost in time, but will follow Him with the time we have remaining. .
In His Service ....
David Jay Jordan

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Davidjay 
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Message 261 of 1482 (811119)
06-05-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Davidjay
06-05-2017 9:54 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Inother words, Faith the order of creation was exact, and seeing the rotations and revolutions of the Solar System, Sun, Moon and Earth were done BEFORE the creation of man/woman...
Its logical that the Lord did not reset these times afterwards but continued from the START and kept the 24 hour day rotations, and the 365.24 revolution around the SUN.
See Tabernacle of the Sun etc...
Time was by exact design and did not vary (except for a few exceptions which would blow the evolutionists minds..Joshua)
Hence as per usual there is and was no gaps in the Lords exact biological creation timeline......
Evolution has only quesses and insanities, and compromising Christian may have huige gaps but Genesis did not... IMHO
David
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Davidjay 
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Message 262 of 1482 (811457)
06-08-2017 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Davidjay
06-05-2017 9:58 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Evoutionists and atheists hate opposition, and hate to add up numbers and do any math or study any biology or genetics.... nevertheless allow me to further prove that the six days of Genesis of Moses as spoken to him by the Lord was literal.... via this...
I know I know, I am suppose to start from scratch rather than having all this information and articles from which to prove my points, because evolutionists and atheists have no ammunition and have done no research on this, and lose every debate..Nevertheless here we go..
*************
Creation in 24 Hours Days
(Taken from a letter to Dave on a Bulletin Board))
I'm a little baffled, Dave that after you presented a mathematical case in favor of 24-hour periods of creation, you
falter by stating you are firmly entrenched into ”theistic evolution’. Of course everyone is entitled to their
belief or non-belief, and even some sort of compromise if they prefer. But because you have brought up and explained
your 24 hour time period concept so well, let’s further expand on it as it absolutely contradicts the millions and
billions of years that are apparently needed by a weak, unsure of Himself and His direction, type God.
This weak God of most churches and religionists that apparently uses a sort of hit and miss, random chance and
lucky mutation method in perfectly balancing His worlds within worlds systems is however an illusion of their minds,
rather than the true Creator.
So Yes, according to Moses, who spend 40 days and 40 nights in face to face talks with the LORD of Creation, on the
3rd day Our common Creator made plant life (Gen 1:9-13) But if ”theistic evolution is true, and it took ages for the
4th day to roll around, then obviously all the plant life wold be dead without the photosynthesis of the Sun’s rays
which were created on the 4th Day. This is just a further contradiction for those that try to mesh evolution into the
Genesis account. It just doesn’t work and confuses the simple truths involved. The Genesis account gives a very
specific schedule of events in exact chronological order. Therefore once you start rearranging days, and times and its
order, you would definitely be negating it into fantasy and non-fiction which is quite a scientific slap in the face to
both Moses and the Creator, IMO.
But this time, let’s take this Genesis account as literal and precise as is all scripture unless it states otherwise.
Let’s assume that 24 hours means 24 hours, and that it is a sacred measure of time, just as the Lord has sacred
measures of distance like the cubit and the furlong. Because of this, the Lord of Creation could confirm this time
period on Day 4, by rotating the Earth and revolving it around the Sun, with a speed of 24 hours per rotation around its
axis.
For before this time, there was no Sun to rule the day and no Moon to rule the night, for the LORD himself was the
light as will be the case again in His Heavenly, New Jerusalem, where He will enlighten the Bride and the whole
world and worlds from within His City or Home. (See New Jerusalem is a Crystal Pyramid).Plant life can obviously
live with His light shown upon them but they absolutely could not have lived billions of years waiting for the Sun to
start shining. So it was obviously a 24 hour period. For after anything is brought into material being it is in the
dimension of time and effected by the 3rd law of thermodynamics and the direction of time.
Therefore once the Lord started his creative process time started. From Day 1, when the Lord created light at light
speed, the direction of time has been set and the barrier into the spiritual world has been made. Above the speed of
light, there is no time as we are into eternity as mentioned in Revelations and below the speed of light, we are bound
by the disorganization and eventual death of all systems. This is called the 3rd LAW of thermodynamics, which is
another absolute proof against Evolution. Because as the law says, everything goes to a state of less organization if left
alone. Consequently without the Hand of God, random chance and freak mutations absolutely could not have created
the balance, symmetry and beauty of what we call LIFE.
Yet, we of course, know this as birth, growth, aging, and death in the material plane. It is the cycle of time that only
rebirth into the spiritual can overcome. Entropy or the going to a lesser state of organization is the direction of time as
everything heads toward chaos materially even as we will head toward the Lord's consummation as man has been
given the opportunity to rule himself without the guidance of the LORD.
When the Lord of Creation in the Eternal World started His Creation, He literally had to slow things down, spiral
them into being (SEE Golden Mean Spiral) with a speed less than His all-knowing all present, all powerful speed. And
from that beginning the creation of light (at light speed) the flow of time and the direction of time had begun, until
there will be time no more after the Millenium. For this material world was meant to decay even though he set up
perfect barriers and laws to keep things going to suit His purpose and His - Story.
One of these limits is the speed of light, that less than intelligent Christian scientists like Lambert Dolphin have
proposed is losing its absolute value. As a compromising theistic evolutionists, he has proposed that its speed has been
losing velocity over billions of years so that light is no longer the light of the past. (See templemount.com). I mean, he
even studied the Giza pyramid for the Illuminati it appears and didn't understand the 'golden section ' or anything of
the geometry when he was trying to uncover Isis tomb. But such is the strange, contradicting and shallow world of
those that compromise the Lord's standards. For the speed of light, like gravity, like the nuclear forces, like the Lord's
laws haven't been changing with time, but have remained constant like His Word and dependable like His Word. The
speed of light is still the barrier between the spiritual and physical worlds, and even though some have been
accelerated through the tunnel into the other world to tell us about it, most of us will just have to accept it as a
scientific fact.
This co-existent spirit world as proven by Einstein really does exist as the Bible states, and there is a time space
continuum, that is being broken by the mad scientists with their mad experiments on the 'Philadelphia' and their time
warps as done at 'Montauk.', but we don't have to be afraid because if we have the Lord, nothing can separate us from
Him and our eventual destiny and home. The Lord has never lost one of his sheep and prophecy time line has an END
to it. There is a specific number of days foretold concerning the last seven years. It is exact, we also only have 1260
Days to go through the Tribulation even though the Anti-Christ will again be trying to change times and laws. We, the
Lord's sheep, will not get lost in time, but will follow Him with the time we have remaining. .
In His Service ....
David Jay Jordan

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Davidjay 
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Message 264 of 1482 (811464)
06-08-2017 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Taq
06-08-2017 11:16 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Back to science and truth and away from the snide remarks of unlearned men and women, who have no truths...no math and no science..including biology.
A 24 hour day is as long as plants etc can last without a sun for life giving rays..... The sun was created after plants, therefore its insane to make a day a million billion years.
Creationism is logic and reason, compromising Christians have to understand this. Trying to appease the crazy semantic evolutionists and atheists never works, you can't have your meals in two cafeteria's. One per customer.

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Davidjay 
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Message 267 of 1482 (811489)
06-08-2017 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Taq
06-08-2017 2:57 PM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
Where is your past evidence that if you get an exact answer to your uqestion, you will take that evidence and rethink your religious affliation with evolution and atheism.
*****************
Anyway I always try to answer questions when it can help READERS, rather than hardcore evolutionists and atheists as they hardly ever have honest questions.
************************
Question: "What happened on each of the days of Creation?"
Answer: The creation account is found in Genesis 1—2. The language of the Genesis account makes it clear that all of creation was formed from nothing in six literal 24-hour periods with no time periods occurring between the days. This is evident because the context requires a literal 24-hour period. The description specifically describes the event in a manner that a normal, common-sense reading understands as a literal day: And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day (Genesis 1:5). Further, each sentence in the original language begins with the word and. This is good Hebrew grammar and indicates each sentence is built upon the preceding statement, clearly indicating that the days were consecutive and not separated by any period of time. The Genesis account reveals that the Word of God is authoritative and powerful. Most of God’s creative work is done by speaking, another indication of the power and authority of His Word. Let us look at each day of God’s creative work:
Creation Day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5)
God created the heavens and the earth. The heavens refers to everything beyond the earth, outer space. The earth is made but not formed in any specific way, although water is present. God then speaks light into existence. He then separates the light from the dark and names the light day and the dark night. This creative work occurs from evening until morning — one day.
Creation Day 2 (Genesis 1:6-8)
God creates the sky. The sky forms a barrier between water upon the surface and the moisture in the air. At this point earth would have an atmosphere. This creative work occurs in one day.
Creation Day 3 (Genesis 1:9-13)
God creates dry land. Continents and islands are above the water. The large bodies of water are named seas and the ground is named land. God declares that all this is good.
God creates all plant life both large and small. He creates this life to be self-sustaining; plants have the ability to reproduce. The plants were created in great diversity (many kinds). The earth was green and teeming with plant life. God declares that this work is also good. This creative work takes one day.
Creation Day 4 (Genesis 1:14-19)
God creates all the stars and heavenly bodies. The movement of these will help man track time. Two great heavenly bodies are made in relation to the earth. The first is the sun which is the primary source of light and the moon which reflects the light of the sun. The movement of these bodies will distinguish day from night. This work is also declared to be good by God. This creative work takes one day.
From What happened on each of the days of Creation? | GotQuestions.org
Or you could just read Genesis 1, and 2... this the majority of evolutionists and atheists refuse to do because they dont know how to study or RESEARCH.... they just make up theories.
IHS
David

Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.
Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,

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Davidjay 
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Message 269 of 1482 (811614)
06-09-2017 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Taq
06-09-2017 11:35 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
No, you are intentionally mis-representing what I said....
intentionally !
I always explain my assertions, even though I call them facts or principles or beliefs or experiences.
Evolutionists have no science, facts or evidences so turn into one line deniers and run-away-ers. They're like lost kids who are runaways....
Real kids run back to their homes when they discover their parents and family and forefathers LOVE them.
Jesus loves them, even if they deny HIM.
Amen ? Amen !

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Davidjay 
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Message 271 of 1482 (811673)
06-10-2017 11:43 AM
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06-09-2017 4:16 PM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
My evidence has been posted and duly denied by non scientists called evolutionists, as they hate opposition and so only allow me HERE.
I always answer evolutionists, which also greatly infuriates them.... and all they have are other peoples questions and excuses, and the corresponding hyperlink of what other people think up in their disconnected brains and hearts.
But because I have a few questions for evolutionists to answer, knowing they refuse to answer anything...
I can again claim victory over lack of intelligence and their lack of design..... and lack of knowledge, logic, reason, and lack of science.
SEE
http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v6i10f.htm

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Davidjay 
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Message 273 of 1482 (811678)
06-10-2017 11:57 AM
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06-10-2017 11:47 AM


Re: 24 days dictates knowledge of when BEGINNING was
I always answer sincere questions and even your insincere questions......
And please quote more than a few words or a segment from my sentences. Usually the common honest practise and rule is... quote at least a paragraph, so you dont mis-represent me or my summation of words.
Now back to Creation.... and how the Lord created it.

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 275 of 1482 (811717)
06-11-2017 12:10 AM
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06-10-2017 12:06 PM


Re:
No.. I have already anwered your insincere questions and your excuses.
Besides you dont want answers you just want to harass, and harass and stop discussions. You cant write more than one sentence and cant even copy a whole passage of mine honestly.
Your ******* is not right and your ***** is trashed. You have no ******* and in***********.
And yet are smug in your protected cocoon from being reprimanded for your harassments. You do not add to a discussion, and only take a few seconds to ponder and ask an insincere question.
You are alloowed in the Bible forum, whereas I am not allowed in the Science Forum. **** is the ****** in that .

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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