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Author Topic:   why does baking soda and vinegar unclog the drain?
Taq
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Message 5 of 30 (745422)
12-22-2014 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
12-21-2014 2:47 PM


It just tells you it works with no explanation. I wanna know why it works, not if it works.
Bicarbonates and carbonates saponify oils which is a fancy way of saying that they turn oils into soaps. That would seem to be one of the secrets. This is why it can break down soap scum. Part of the insoluble part of soap scum is body oils. When the bicarbonate hits that body oil it turns it into soap which is soluble in water, especially in alkaline solutions such as sodium bicarbonate.

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Message 15 of 30 (745579)
12-24-2014 1:02 PM
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12-22-2014 5:38 PM


I seriously doubt that sodium bicarb would have any real affect of solidified fat - plus the addition of vinegar, acetic acid, would neutralize it.
It isn't solidified. It is liquid body oil in an amalgam of soap waxes and deposited minerals. Bicarb does saponify oils, just like any base will. Lye will just do the job faster because it is a stronger base. In fact, I would suspect that most drain uncloggers are made with strong bases such as sodium hydroxide.
You will notice that the method for unclogging drains with sodium bicarb is to use boiling hot water and sodium bicarb for 15 minutes, THEN add the vinegar. The heat will speed up the saponification reaction. The bubbling from the vinegar will help to break off the already loosened deposits in the pipe.

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Message 17 of 30 (745582)
12-24-2014 2:08 PM
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12-24-2014 1:23 PM


It is in my sink. And every drain I've ever unblocked.
The deposits are solid, but the oils that make them up are not. The fact that they are water insoluble is what keeps the deposit in place. When baking soda saponifies those oils into soluble soaps, the is easier to break up and remove.
Maybe, but it'll be slow and ineffectual compared to caustic soda - which is, as you guessed, and I'd already pointed out, is what constitutes old fashioned drain cleaner.
By adding heat to the reaction you can increase the activity of bicarb. You are probably right with respect to the relative effectiveness of bicarb and caustic soda. However, people were wondering about the chemistry of bicarb and clogs, so that is what I was explaining.
But why piss about? Caustic soda is cheap and readily available, it does the job without all the hassle of boiling water - it produces its own heat - and is a really strong base. I thought it unpleasant to mention it earlier, but it's so good at breaking down fat that it's used in the industrial production of soap - the Nazis used it to for exactly that purpose but with human fat. Not baking soda.
The only concern I would have is safety. People may not realize how hot things can get when you add caustic soda to water, or how corrosive it can be. At least baking soda removes the idiot factor, even if it is less effective.

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