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RAZD
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Message 1 of 50 (740965)
11-08-2014 3:37 PM


Well it seems voters wanted to end gridlock in washington, so they voted for those causing the gridlock ... in part because -- once again -- the GOP controlled the message machines, and in part because DEMs ran away from the President and what they accomplished in SPITE of the GOP.
Could they have done more? yes - they could have campaigned on the successes (including controlling ebola) they could done more to highlight GOP obstructionism, from the government shutdown (and how proud they were of it) to the failure to pass job bills, equal pay bills, minimum wage bills, immigration bills, etc etc etc
Could WE have done more? yes - we could have put ballot initiatives on the state ballots to cover a number of issues stalled in congress:
1. minimum wage $10.10/hr, to match the Obama federal contract minimum wage ...
2. equal pay for work of equal value ...
3. student loans at fed rate of interest, interest currently paid or incurred recalculated ...
4. repeal Citizen's United ruling to get money out of politics ...
5. national referendum on tax reform, closing loopholes ...
6. union bill of rights -- that people have a right to join a union ...
7. add Medicare as single-payer option to the ACA ...
8. add a "none of the above" option to all representative categories ...
9. add a voters bill of rights -- that all citizens of the US have a right to vote without obstruction ... that any changes to voter laws, including all "voter ID" laws, would be phased in over a four year period, that photo IDs could be obtained at the polling station the next time a registered person votes, that registration included getting a photo ID for all new registrants, and that the "indelible ink stained thumb" system be used to prevent multiple voting until the transition period is over ...
Do it as a populist movement that crosses party lines and goes around congress to find solutions.
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RAZD
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Message 3 of 50 (741109)
11-09-2014 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
11-08-2014 4:12 PM


Cruz and McConnell
We have gridlock because the people to whom this matters the most do not vote.
We will continue to have gridlock because Cruz and McConnell come from different parties and have different goals.
To say nothing about GOP senators that will be running for president ...
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RAZD
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Message 16 of 50 (741224)
11-10-2014 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by nwr
11-10-2014 12:53 PM


ballot initiatives to move forward on issues around politicians
I'm using linux to write this post.
Which version? I have Ubuntu, but haven't upgraded to 14 yet.
As for the dems - I don't like them at all. They seem to have cornered the market on bungling incompetence. Yet I usually vote for them, because the Republicans are completely unfit to govern.
And I don't vote for anybody that is unopposed.
So what do you think about using ballot initiatives to get the issues to the public for direct votes?
Getting items on the ballots so people can vote on them directly goes around the political representatives in order to get things done, as a populist movement that can cross party lines to find solutions. These can be written up as bills to be passed, so it would be like ALEC for people.
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RAZD
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Message 20 of 50 (741236)
11-10-2014 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taz
11-10-2014 6:47 AM


voter initiatives
Look at the results of what people want. Minimum wage increase, ACA, and everything else that the dems fight for. And yet people voted for the rep party, e party that is against all those things.
So you would be in favor of using voter initiates on election ballots to deal with these issues directly rather than relying on the politicians?
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RAZD
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Message 47 of 50 (742146)
11-17-2014 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Taz
11-11-2014 9:30 AM


Re: voter initiatives
Well, no. I don't believe in democracy, period.
Anyone remember back when Romney was running and half or so of republicans believed Romney gave the order to kill Bin Laden?
Democracy only works if the typical voter has a more vested interest in it. As it currently stands, they don't.
Aren't voter initiatives on the ballots a way of getting that vested interest? I would think that minimum wage laws and equal pay laws would provide incentive to a lot of people with a vested interest in a more just wage than they currently have.
My elderly parents just officially switched from hating Obama to loving him because of the benefits he's brought them.
And yet, people are saying Obama is the worst president in history. Really? Really? Despite the gridlock, this president has done more for the good of the country than Bush ever did.
Democracy only works when the typical voter votes for the people's best interest, not who hates Obama and gay people more.
For me it comes down to education and the ability to recognize political shinola and distraction propaganda to be able to sort their interests from those of the TV ads.
Your parents now know, for instance, that the GOP platform against the ACA was false, misleading and inaccurate.
Voter initiatives can address issues and educate voters regardless of party affiliation. You will still have the big companies fighting voter initiatives on things like GMO labels and stopping the XL pipeline ... but it will be corporations against people rather than democrat against republican.
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