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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well it seems voters wanted to end gridlock in washington, so they voted for those causing the gridlock ... in part because -- once again -- the GOP controlled the message machines, and in part because DEMs ran away from the President and what they accomplished in SPITE of the GOP.
Could they have done more? yes - they could have campaigned on the successes (including controlling ebola) they could done more to highlight GOP obstructionism, from the government shutdown (and how proud they were of it) to the failure to pass job bills, equal pay bills, minimum wage bills, immigration bills, etc etc etc Could WE have done more? yes - we could have put ballot initiatives on the state ballots to cover a number of issues stalled in congress: 1. minimum wage $10.10/hr, to match the Obama federal contract minimum wage ...2. equal pay for work of equal value ... 3. student loans at fed rate of interest, interest currently paid or incurred recalculated ... 4. repeal Citizen's United ruling to get money out of politics ... 5. national referendum on tax reform, closing loopholes ... 6. union bill of rights -- that people have a right to join a union ... 7. add Medicare as single-payer option to the ACA ... 8. add a "none of the above" option to all representative categories ... 9. add a voters bill of rights -- that all citizens of the US have a right to vote without obstruction ... that any changes to voter laws, including all "voter ID" laws, would be phased in over a four year period, that photo IDs could be obtained at the polling station the next time a registered person votes, that registration included getting a photo ID for all new registrants, and that the "indelible ink stained thumb" system be used to prevent multiple voting until the transition period is over ... Do it as a populist movement that crosses party lines and goes around congress to find solutions. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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We have gridlock because the people to whom this matters the most do not vote.
They do not vote, because the politicians take them for granted. The politicians take them for granted because they do not vote.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
We have gridlock because the people to whom this matters the most do not vote. We will continue to have gridlock because Cruz and McConnell come from different parties and have different goals. To say nothing about GOP senators that will be running for president ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Yes, I am expecting two more years of gridlock.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2129 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
That's not a bad thing.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Jon Inactive Member
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A government that taxes us dry and does absolutely nothing is "not a bad thing"?
Love your enemies!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3314 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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A friend just told me. The dem party is like Microsoft. Everyone pretends to be against, but at the end of the day almost everyone is in favor of their products.
I know people that are vocal about wanting Microsoft to die, and yet they own everything Microsoft. They make a living using Microsoft software. Look at the results of what people want. Minimum wage increase, ACA, and everything else that the dems fight for. And yet people voted for the rep party, e party that is against all those things.
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Jon Inactive Member |
It's because the Reps are pro Jesus.
Love your enemies!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2129 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
A government that taxes us dry and does absolutely nothing is "not a bad thing"? If they are gridlocked, and can't make matters worse, that is not a bad thing.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Being gridlocked means they can't do anything.
And if all they can do is nothing or worse, then what are we paying them for? Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Coyote writes:
A stopped clock is right twice a day but that's not an excuse not to fix it.
If they are gridlocked, and can't make matters worse, that is not a bad thing.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2129 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
And if all they can do is nothing or worse, when what are we paying them for? The government doing nothing is better than them being very active. "It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for." - Will Rogers Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Jon Inactive Member |
If you dislike working government, why don't you move to one of those failed states in West Africa.
They've got plenty of Ebola and Islam to share with you.Love your enemies!
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I know people that are vocal about wanting Microsoft to die, and yet they own everything Microsoft.
I'm using linux to write this post. As for the dems - I don't like them at all. They seem to have cornered the market on bungling incompetence. Yet I usually vote for them, because the Republicans are completely unfit to govern.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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If you dislike working government, why don't you move to one of those failed states in West Africa. We've already got a pee-poor working government right here. Using your logic, wouldn't it be you who needs to move? 'Like it or leave it' arguments are stupid regardless of whether liberals are conservatives make them. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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