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Message 23 of 115 (739984)
10-30-2014 12:42 PM

Reply to: Message 20 by Genomicus
10-29-2014 7:50 PM

Not all GMOs are alike

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Golden Rice, genetically enriched with vitamin A and iron, has, for example, the real potential of saving millions of lives. Yet another exciting application of transgenic technology is in the production of edible vaccines against deadly diseases.

^^^^These sorts of GMOs I have no objection to. But,

Roundup Ready soybean is just one example...

Making a GMO resistant to your own company's patented herbicide, thereby allowing you to increase the use of it to kill off weeds around your GMO, does significantly add to the environmental impact.

Genomicus continues:

The soil left behind was poor in nutrients. The soil was not healthy. You have to look at the whole picture.

So you're criticizing the use of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers -- not GMOs? Let's look at the whole picture. Much of agriculture is built on the use of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers -- whether or not GMOs are being planted. So you're bringing in a bit of a tangent here.

Anything we can do to minimize the use of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers is a good goal, right? With some of these GMOs the use will be increased. If using 23 units kills off 68% of the weeds, but using 32 units kills off 100% plus 36% of your crop in collateral damage, the idea is to make your crop resistant to your pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers so that you can spread 32 units and only 2% of your crop is killed as collateral damage. How cute.

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Message 37 of 115 (740261)
11-03-2014 11:46 AM

Reply to: Message 20 by Genomicus
10-29-2014 7:50 PM

Sorry, I forgot I was looking for a picture, then got distracted.

Genomicus claims

If farmers need to use hazmat suits to tend their crops, how does it become magically safe to consume once it hits the market shelf?

Farmers don't need to use hazmat suits to grow GMO crops.

But then we have many pictures like this:

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Message 46 of 115 (740641)
11-06-2014 1:18 PM

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11-06-2014 12:31 PM

Re: general reply not just to Tempe 12ft Chicken

I think the solution is simple. non-GMO foods just need to label them so.

Problem solved.

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Message 47 of 115 (740643)
11-06-2014 1:23 PM

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11-03-2014 2:27 PM

Tempe 12ft writes:

...what they don't mention is that there are herbicides and insecticides used in organic agriculture and these are sometimes more toxic than those used by transgenic crops.

This may be true - which goes against the intent of producing organic crops. Natural predators are the preferred way to go. Oh wait - "natural" doesn't mean anything anymore.

Grow you own!! Meet your farmer, get to know her or him.

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Message 73 of 115 (740815)
11-07-2014 2:47 PM

Reply to: Message 51 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
11-06-2014 2:06 PM

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Tempe 12ft writes:

What other processes of food creation require mandatory labeling? Kosher is a voluntary label that allows marketers to target a specific demographic. Your request is akin to requesting that all food that is not Kosher be labeled Non-kosher, at the expense of all consumers.

I have no idea how you got "mandatory" out of my suggestion. In fact, it is exactly parallel to labeling foods Kosher or Organic.

You let the consumer decide. Free market and all.

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