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RAZD
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Message 61 of 114 (718368)
02-06-2014 1:13 PM
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02-06-2014 3:06 AM


Re: More "savage"
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Message 66 of 114 (718450)
02-06-2014 5:34 PM
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02-05-2014 8:05 PM


Darwin was Victorian...
Most evolutionists seem to have serious issues with the character of God, ...
A statement that is demonstrably false, not only are there many scientists around the world that are religious (with a number of different religions represented) but many in the USA are Christians. See Radiometric Dating, A Christian Perspective, Dr. Roger C. Wiens .
Further evidence is found with the clergy letter project
Now if you have issues with these people not believing the "correct" religion in the "correct" manner ... and only your version appears to have trouble with science in general and evolution in particular ... then I suggest the problem is in you, not the religious scientists.
Science includes people of all faiths and beliefs, from atheists to zoroastrians ...
... why not the character of a man who belived half of us to be savages worthy of extinction?
It doesn't matter. He was a man of his times and was influenced by his cultural ties, but who and what he was is irrelevant to science.
Science does not depend on people's beliefs and opinions or their character -- science depends on the scientific method -- observation -- hypothesis -- prediction -- testing -- review and repeat ... a continually ongoing process.

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Message 67 of 114 (718451)
02-06-2014 5:40 PM
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02-05-2014 6:46 PM


Darwin predicted that around about now "At some future period, not very distant, as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly (almost certainly, a favourite evolutionist interpretation of a proven fact) exterminate and replace throughout the world, the savage races"
Now that we know about genetics and genotypes evolutionists today would more likely predict that all the different varieties of humans would become increasingly blended over time because of the global access to all corners of the earth.
Let's assume that Darwin's prediction is now falsified ... does that mean that his theory of the origin of species by means of natural selection is falsified?
No, because we have seen this validated, not just in the evolution visible in virtually every living species from generation to generation, but speciation has been observed as well. These observances are facts that validate the theory.

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Message 68 of 114 (718452)
02-06-2014 5:42 PM
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02-05-2014 8:21 PM


Hitler allegedly was a big fan of Darwin's clearly racist views in that he was able to "scientifically supported" exterminate the "sub human" Jew in the aid of furthering evolution with the full support of Darwin's "science".
Irrelevant.
Many dictators have been known to "borrow" things they believe supports their views, that doesn't mean that the science of evolution predicts or produces dictators.

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Message 69 of 114 (718454)
02-06-2014 5:48 PM
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02-05-2014 11:40 PM


Re: More "savage"
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Message 87 of 114 (718514)
02-07-2014 8:55 AM
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02-06-2014 5:58 PM


grow up
I'm afraid your avatar is inducing grand mal epileptic seizures, any chance you can change it as I cant take a buck toothed cartoon character seriously?
If you hit the ESC key it will stop. You can also move the page to the left until it is off screen.
Your inability to deal with it is not my problem.

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Message 88 of 114 (718515)
02-07-2014 9:00 AM
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02-06-2014 5:55 PM


Re: More "savage" and "interspecies"
my post that this is a reply to has been hidden by admin due to going off topic.
Either you expand the topic to include your misunderstanding of evolution and "interspecies" fossils or start a new thread.
Or learn about evolution in specific and biology in general:
An introduction to evolution - Understanding Evolution

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Message 89 of 114 (718516)
02-07-2014 9:03 AM
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02-06-2014 6:04 PM


Re: Darwin was Victorian...
Which curiously has nothing to do with either this thread or my post.
Irrelevant babbling.

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Message 90 of 114 (718517)
02-07-2014 9:28 AM
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02-06-2014 6:09 PM


are you done with "savage races"? or just blundering around?
Again you are going off topic ... so you will need to inform admin that you want your thread to just wander all over the place while you make silly assertions.
You cant "falsify" a theory it isn't required ...
As has been pointed out by frako your ignorance of how science works is amusing ... it one finds pathetic ignorance amusing.
Scientific theories are falsifiable because that is a requirement of the scientific method. If you don't know this very basic foundational element of science how can you hope to be able to say anything worth considering about science?
Do you think someone totally ignorant of the bible would be a good source for criticism of the bible? I don't think so.
... Natural selection is a fact.
Indeed, and so is genetic mutation and genetic drift -- other aspects of evolution. In fact the process of evolution -- the change in the the composition of hereditary traits, and changes to the frequency of their distributions within breeding populations from generation to generation, in response to ecological challenges and opportunities -- has been observed in virtually every living species today as well as in some fossil records.
Cats evolving into to dogs is a fairy tale ...
Indeed, you are right ... again ... but for the wrong reason. Not because it hasn't been observed, but because that is not how evolution works, and if it were observed then there would be serious questions.
... as is Darwins fantasy of descending from a baboon or a courageous little Monkey. ...
And curiously, we are descended from an ape ancestor we share with chimpanzees, an older ape ancestor we share with gorillas, and an even older ape ancestor we share with orangutans ...
Note that no species living today is descendant from another species living today -- that is a silly creationist delusion. Rather we share common ancestors. Apes as a clade share a common primate ancestor with baboons and monkeys -- so no we are not descendants of baboons and monkey.
As is whales having legs walking the earth then deciding they liked the sea better and going back.
See Evidence for Evolution: Whale evolution for discussion. Another opportunity for you to learn rather that wallow in ignorance.

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Message 109 of 114 (718589)
02-07-2014 6:16 PM
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02-07-2014 5:35 PM


Re: More "savage" and "interspecies"
My understanding is fully expanded, believe me, people like you are the enemies of truth and a danger to the human race, Dwakins and his minions aught to be exterminated.
And thus we see the full impact of religious based morality on behavior.
Sad

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