Was Jesus' crucifixion all part of God's plan?

John 8:34-4 writes: 34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."39 "Abraham is our father," they answered."If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the things your own father does.""We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

Phat writes:Jesus Himself challenged the Pharisees to prove that He sinned.

jar writes:The Jesus described in John's Gospel is entirely different than the Jesus found in the Synoptic Gospels, far more narcissistic, doing miracles to show power, claiming divinity, less a humanitarian and less human.

Where then,do we begin? The answer is not so difficult. We must begin with the people who created the literature. This point may seem so obvious as to sound stupid. But the point must be made. Until a literature has been created we can only see a silent people. To a large extent this is true of the Stone Age man, for example. Men of the Stone Age may have felt and hoped, but what they felt and hoped we shall never know, for they left us no words, no literature. The people who produced the Bible were not, however, a silent people.

This is where your faith and my faith differ. Your faith is in logic, reason, and reality. You seem to think that any human that accepts answers (as faith) is engaging in wishful thinking.

I would say that the Jesus in the Bible is absolute, since He is the living word. Of course, you would believe that human wisdom has uncovered redactors and human inspired passages as opposed to scriptural inerrancy. How do you know that it is not scriptural inerrancy? The Jesus in the Bible has different aspects to his character, emphasized by different authors. So too the God of the Bible.

jar writes:What the hell is a deeper level?

What does that have to do with what was actually written; the fact that the Jesus described in John is entirely different than the Jesus than found in the synoptic gospels or to the topic of the thread?

Reading that kinda reminds me of David Koresh.

How long did you live with him?

jar writes:What does that have to do with what was actually written; the fact that the Jesus described in John is entirely different than the Jesus than found in the synoptic gospels or to the topic of the thread?

I realize that you think differently, but though God may have given you a brain He does not expect you to try and outthink the words that He gave us.

Look at the fruit of what you are doing. You fragment the Bible and cause people to doubt the message and the story.

I suppose once you have caused people to question and doubt that you feel your job is done?