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Author Topic:   Muslims promote Sharia law. Why do Christians not promote their law?
onifre
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Message 7 of 112 (703930)
07-31-2013 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
07-30-2013 8:07 PM


uses Christian or biblical law
What specifically do you recognize as "Christian Law"?
Christians never seem to agree on a lot of things when it comes to the bible... at least not on this site very often.
So first lest establish what is Christian Law, then we can see if it's being used.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 15 of 112 (704041)
08-02-2013 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by marc9000
08-01-2013 6:48 PM


The Koran promotes violence against unbelievers as an ongoing law, the Bible does not. Old Testament history is just that, history, not promotion.
I'd say Christianity and Islam promote violence equally. There is plenty in the new testament that promotes violence, to the point where Jesus reminds everyone to follow ALL of his fathers laws - To include stoning gays and adulterers to death...and there's plenty more.
Complete secularism is atheism, and that's a worldview, with laws.
How can you have complete secularism? What does that even mean?
The only thing that should concern us being secular is things we all share. So it makes sense that we should ALL want secularism when it comes to politics and decisions about laws, etc.
I mean, surely you're trying to avoid living under Sharia Law as much as I am? If you don't want a secular government, who's to say it's your religion that will be in charge? You wouldn't want to live under someone elses religious laws, so it's best we live under no one's religious laws IMO.
But it makes no sense to call that atheism. Both the atheist and the faithful should want a secular government. Right?
Not all of the religious people want a secular government though. I'm sure there are a few fundamentalist out there who want their religion to govern the land.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 18 of 112 (704052)
08-02-2013 3:02 PM
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08-02-2013 12:25 PM


To be fair, Jesus did stop the mob from stoning the woman who committd adultery. The qualification is, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," so nobody is technically allowed to do it.
Fair enough.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 41 of 112 (704158)
08-05-2013 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by marc9000
08-02-2013 7:53 PM


Rise of the Nerds
When religion is suppressed to the point where there are no morals, where scientific leaders become rulers in government bureaucracies.
Then you have the wrong understanding of what "secular" means. You're describing some kind of science fiction political government.
Secular just means religious ideologies don't govern political decisions and law making. Which is what you want when it comes to things like Sharia Law.
So you can relax, atheist are the least of your worries.
Not all, a lot of us don't want atheist liberals in charge of politics, with all its associated environmentalism, redistribution of wealth, and big government.
What if it was a Christian/Muslim/Buddist/Hindu who was a liberal, environmentalist, who wants to redistribute the wealth? Would that change your opinion just because they were religious? Or isn't that what we're trying to avoid?
Including the scientific community's worship of themselves and the earth.
Do you make sense to yourself? Because I can't really take you serious when you say ridiculous shit like this.
A small government - that's the only way it can stay neutral.
Right...but still secular.
Only a few, but there are a lot of them that would like their religion to offset the increasing establishment of atheism through science education, and the associated big government that goes along with it.
YOU seem to associate scientific knowledge with big government. I imagine there are others like you who also believe ridiculous things like that as well.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 42 of 112 (704159)
08-05-2013 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by marc9000
08-03-2013 10:55 PM


Re: Your version of "liberty"
Like early U.S. history, there wouldn't be any state lotteries, public gambling, ambulance-chasing lawyers advertising on television, dishonest government greed, etc. You know, morality.
What a great moral government that enslaved and segregated certain individuals because of their skin color. Allowed for them to be brutally killed with little to no consequences. Same government didn't let certain religious groups hold political positions. Same government didn't allow women to vote, and pretty much treated minorities like second class citizens.
Some morality...
And that's the government you want to go back to? Over my dead body.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 112 of 112 (704675)
08-13-2013 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by marc9000
08-12-2013 7:41 PM


Re: Your version of "liberty"
Maybe because there are no actual serious threats to liberty by religion in the U.S. and there are plenty of serious threats to liberty in the U.S. by secular science.
It's because you use terms like atheist science class that leads us to believe that any attempt at a good debate will be worthless. When you make ignorant comments about gay marriage being a burden, I feel it's best to stay out of a debate with you.
So maybe it's YOU that doesn't draw in people to debate with.
- Oni

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