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jar
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Message 81 of 238 (304418)
04-15-2006 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by robinrohan
04-15-2006 11:45 AM


Logic and 2 + 2 = 4
I'm not sure that I see logic entering there, rather the result of experimentation. I don't know of any logical reason that 2 + 2 must equal 4, but rather the simple acknowledgement that every time it has been tested it has been found to be true.
After first determining that 2 + 2 = 4, it might be possible to logically go on to make some general rule but one factor about basic math is it is not taught logically, but rather by memorization. Once we move on to some forms of higher math such as Algebra and geometry, logic enters. But things like addition seem to be totally experiment based as opposed to logically based.

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jar
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Message 88 of 238 (304443)
04-15-2006 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by nwr
04-15-2006 1:45 PM


Are Laws Moral?
For moral rules, I would say that those too, are somewhat arbitrary (why is the speed limit 55, instead of 54 or 56?).
Are Laws really moral? Is there really any connection between for example, speed limits and morality? Is it moral or immoral to exceed a speed limit in order to save a life?

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jar
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Message 105 of 238 (304571)
04-16-2006 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by purpledawn
04-16-2006 7:13 AM


Re: Are Laws Moral?
Does legal equate to moral?
IMHO, no, legal does not equate to moral.
LAWs specify a specific act and are absolute. The sign says Speed Limit 55, it does not say Drive Safely. There is no reason I can think of that 55 is more moral than 54 or 60 or 52 or 26.
This is a characteristic of all laws. They are arbitrary. The overarching goal might be moral, provide a safer society, but the laws themselves are not moral.

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jar
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Message 110 of 238 (304595)
04-16-2006 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by purpledawn
04-16-2006 9:16 AM


Re: Are Laws Moral?
Is morality only in relation to other humans or would it extend to the rest of creation so to speak?
Again, morality is entirely subjective and will depend on the individual as well as their personal knowledge base. It will also depend on the society and era. I personally think morality extends to all creation if you mean that the individual human has a duty to try to do what is right regardless of whether it relates to other humans, human interaction with other critters or human interaction with the environment.
But I do not say that morality extends to interactions between critters and other critters, critters and humans, critters and the environment or the environment itself. I believe that morality is a purely human construct.

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jar
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Message 145 of 238 (304944)
04-18-2006 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by robinrohan
04-18-2006 8:56 AM


Re: Rational Perception
Hey, let's at least get the attributions correct.
In Message 281 you had said,
robin writes:
You[sic] religion is a bit of sentimentality--a let's-look-on-the-bright-side attitude--which might be fine for everyday practical life but is not any good philosophically.
to which I replied In Message 282:
jar writes:
Okay, if that's how you see it, fine. It's not how I see it but then I'm not you. And if it's pretty good for everyday practical life, that suits me just fine. I guess that's because I happen to live in the real world and not some philosophical fantasy land.
You had agreed that the position I posted was fine for everyday practical life but is not any good philosophically.
I replied that "I happen to live in the real world and not some philosophical fantasy land."
I did not say or even suggest that you lived in a "philosophical fantasy world" (Jar). If from what I posted you assumed that you live in some fantasy world, then perhaps it's time that you examined just where you are living.
I have simply said that morality is subjective and the same for an Athiest or Theist under similar circumstance.

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