Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,924 Year: 4,181/9,624 Month: 1,052/974 Week: 11/368 Day: 11/11 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Origin of Novelty
NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9004
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


(1)
Message 775 of 871 (695342)
04-04-2013 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by mindspawn
04-04-2013 4:40 PM


Highly dissimilar
quote:
It has everything to do with DNA. In just the same way that a tasmanian wolf is related to marsupials and not real wolves, two fossils could be vastly different in genotype and deceptively similar in phenotype. They can therefore be mistaken as transitional.
But the are not deceptively similar in phenotype. Sure, they have 4 legs so are the "deceptively similar" to an elephant? They have forward facing eyes but are the "deceptively similar" to an owl?
They are very, very dissimilar. From the bones out they are of different infraclasses.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 771 by mindspawn, posted 04-04-2013 4:40 PM mindspawn has not replied

  
NosyNed
Member
Posts: 9004
From: Canada
Joined: 04-04-2003


(2)
Message 787 of 871 (695460)
04-05-2013 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 785 by Taq
04-05-2013 11:03 AM


Are they all "just as bad"?
quote:
For many years, avian systematists classified Old World and New World vultures as close relatives, both thought to be allied to raptors (hawks and owls). However, DNA hybridization suggested that, although Old World vultures are indeed related to raptors, New World vultures are not, but are descendents of common ancestors to storks and cranes (more recent studies are equivocal but still support independent evolution of the two clades). Morphological convergence was strong enough to actually mislead students of bird classification.
from: http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/Convergence.html
Of course, that doesn't prove his point but it does show that convergence can be so close it is hard to tell from actual relationships, no?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 785 by Taq, posted 04-05-2013 11:03 AM Taq has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 788 by Taq, posted 04-05-2013 12:14 PM NosyNed has not replied
 Message 790 by Granny Magda, posted 04-05-2013 12:47 PM NosyNed has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024