Summations Only

Pleas accept my apology for confusing your post with another person whose conversation I thought was about the seven geological Eras that correspond to the seven "days."You are quizzing me about the Seven stages of the Big Bang, I and i did not reply concerning that.My answer to your question is simple in regard t, why do I choose to focus on those science reporter who sum to seven the multitude of events in the Big Bang.I simply prefer the short list which incorporates the basic mechanics of the cosmic evolution.There is no end to the infinitesimal enumeration of sub-concepts or detailed analysis a more comprehensive listing could include if so desired.Why do you want as many as necessary in order to merely oppose my arbitrary choice among those available on the Internet?
Do YOPU have a single definitive listing of all the events with a particular number you will give us?
Or, is it impossible to specify a number which would be satisfactory to all scientists and readers?What number do you recommend?

The scientific grouping of these parts to the "day" is sub-divided into parts, like the dawn, morning, afternoon, and evening.I believe by now, though, that most readers see what the Theistic Evoution bible interpretation is saying in regard the seven durations actually being as factual as are the seven separate events listed and described in Genesis.Take it or leave it dead wrong, the way the YECs do, if you like.

Not that the scientists who report 7 eras are "wrong".They are not "wrong."
I point out in Gen 1:1 that there are such short and appropriate summations expressed by the science commuynuty as tge many Chrats they have constructed illustrate.These synoposis of the events which, by the nature of their brevity, still imply an overall comprehensiveness in general.
They infer that they include all the minor or less significant details and focus on the actually material changes rather than the points in a still unexplained Theory about why the changes are occurring, (i.,e.; GUT, etc).I choose those summaries of 7 events that occur so much more frequently in the literature because they are useful in their brevity. And, though totally unnecessary to the context of Gen 1:1 without them, they are short enough to slip into the verse for emphasis of my point, the parallel between these two disciplines, Science/Theology.And, because of what follows in the Bible, I chose to start wiy=th this demonstration tht seven is a very convenient number by which Science tends to sum up many ideas, especially those where seven is actually a factual basis for the science itself, such as in the Seven Prime Quantum Numbers that are so inherent to the very matter necessary for the materialization of the Universe.But all of this is off the topic of the seven ays" paralleling our History of the Earth in seven eras.

"There is no connection between the number of cosmological eras and the number 7 nor the 7 days in the Genesis story," nor was any INTENTIONALLY implied.I believe when you read the first Opening Post you assumed that incorporated into Gen 1:1 was the assertion of an analogy between the famous 7 6 days of creation and that reference to seven divisions of the major BB events.Sorry for the confusion that has followed since.

No,...
Of course not.It is not I who wrote these lists of seven summary events nor constructed the Charts, of organized the Graphic representations that have been posted.
I have done no such a thing.I have merely selected these illustrtaions which scientists, themselves, present to us as an example of using this favorite number of those scientists and of the Bible writers.These illustrations, below, which divide the Big Bang into seven categorries of major events were not mine at all:

The text says that the universe was dark initially (no visible light was flooding the cosmos yet).But, at the moment of the creation, high energy electromagnetic energy was present in frequencies well beyond those of visible light.The creation of visible light was implicit in Gen 1:1, with the appearance of the matter from which it is sourced.The reference to "Let there be light" merely marks that moment when the Cosmic Dark Age ended: Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

We differ on whether it is I or the scientists I quoted, who claim these sources enumerate 7 events, whether they do so by using the ruler of Time, draw charts, create graphic organizers, and list seven Eras.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Yes, as you agreed for argument sake, we could choose to make the list of seven longer than the six science sources to which I referenced my assertion in Gen 1:1.We ought move on, with the understanding that "In the beginning" is in essence a 1362BC direct concrete statement that the Universe was not always there but had a beginning.The connection with the general seven (7) details we have been calling "eras", as referenced by the six science sources to which I have brought your attention, above, however, spell out what we have discovered since @ 1940AD.The amazing fore knowledge of the Big Bang Beginning is interestingly revealed by those six sources as also using the favorite number of God, 7.But let the thread show that what I have told you has been referenced by science sources regardless of your own preferences to enumerate the stages differently.

WOW.You certainly inferred a lot and put an argument out against the mere claim that at some time, the Torah was, obviously, written down.I claimed that there was a time before that, around 1362BC I will specify now, when the tradition of the Jews says an Oral Torah existed.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Sez you to them, the science sources to which I presented references.I do not not have the inclination to entertain your argument with them.I merely demonstrate that these are not my ideas.[/B]These are science charts, graphic organizers, listings of Time relationships, and/or categorical classification of the seven events come for science source and authors with enough credentials.As is the custom in debates or discussions of this type, the sources are all that I am required to present.
They are useful to back me up.But you can start a thread which questions the wisdom of these authors.

What post number are you referring to?These have always been lined up the same way.However, the mention of these historical events that are measured out in the rocks as an unfolding history of the earth has progressively become a little more closely examined.back a page or so, I posted the six major rock layers and their subdivisions so we could be clear about these six evenings and mornings.You are referencing them here."The colorful charts don't really provide much explanation for what's going on in the era so we can't really compare to what's going on in the day in the Bible."
So, apparently, that is our next job, to see at what point in each of these "days" the evening ends and the morning began.I would bring your attention to a number of rather obvious points of agreement between historical events within one or another of these 6 major rock layers and what is reported to us in Genesis.Rodinia (the first Pangea-like event), mentioned in Genesis 1:9 as an event, where "all the waters under the heaven were collected together into one place" is said to occur on the "Proterozoic morning" of the third 'day.'"

Remember that this Bible interpretation condones the theory of evolution which tells us that in one series of very early Spontaneous Generations of first life, (bacteria, explicitly), the seeds to the entire Plant Kingdom were created.With the cravat in mind, you can understand that the gradually appearance from of the more complex life forms would be historically reported throughout all the subsequent eras after the Meso/Eo-archean morning of the third "day." (NOTE: to critics who would prefer the Six Kingdom System we must note that Genesis speaks only of Two Kingdoms, specisically mentioning only Plants and Animal.) Does that help?

One of the claims of the Theistic Evolution bible reader is that traditional church fathers did not read comprehensively and were strongly under the influence of pre-set psychological thinking restricted by social and educational paradigms of their own times.When the JKV Bible translators interpreted many Hebrew or Greek/Latin words into English, they often restricted the proper and scientifically better choice in their selections.The word "grass," in this case, was a fair guess in 1600AD, but better, in light of this day, "the first sprouts of the Earth" would have been more truly accurate for the word "deshe." Gen 1:11 And (The First Cause?), God, said, Let the earth bring forth (life in a Spontaneous Generation of Bacteria which shall found the evolving and complex members of the Plant Kingdom upon the Earth, i.e.; the Hebrew word "deshe" is not grass but means "first sprouts of life on Earth"), grass, (from which early roots shall evolve) the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, (I.e.; all the Plant Kingdom to come), whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

"The Big Bang Theory is NOT connected to geological eras."
EXACTLY...
You are mixing the two different issues here to which all my post above have referred.1) I am providing (mostly and only to you) references (specifically to the Big Bang chronology only) for what I posted in Gen 1:1.
These concern the 7 "stages"or eras, if you will, of the Big Bang Expansion plus the present eighth Matter Stage.2) I am also talking to other people.
Those conversations are about the seven "days" that follow after the Big Bang is mentioned in Gen1:1.
There are six major collections of durations in the Rock classification, during which various evolutionary events occur.
The word era meaning milluons of years and the word eon, meaning billions of years, are used in my posts to those other people here.Those specific events in the History of the Earth are related directly and correspond one-to-one with the Geological chronology as seen in the rock layers.You and I have not yet discussed the seven "days" in Genesisa nd how they parallel the science of Histroy of the Earth as measured by the information found in six specific rock divisions.

Let's review my references for stating in Gen 1:1 that seven stages generally describe what happened "In the beginning:" ///// ////////

Published by George Firth
August 13, 2009, Category: Philosophy of Science 1) The Planck Era
2) The Inflation Era
3) The Quark Era
4) Hadron Era
5) Lepton Era
6) Nucleosynthesis Era
7) Opaque EraAnd 8), this present Era he calls "Now:" /////// //////Astronomy 162
Stars, Galaxies, and
CosmologyIn our first semester of astronomy we were concerned primarily with our own Solar System. In this semester we broaden our perspective and consider the entire Universe. Much of the material for this semester is already on the Web at the Violence in the Cosmos site, but it is arranged in a different order than it will be when the following sequence is completed.Let us now follow the approximate sequence of events that took place in the big bang in terms of the time since the expansion begins. 1) Time ~ 1/100 Second
At this stage the temperature is about 100 billion Kelvin and the density is more than a billion times that of water. The Universe is expanding rapidly and is very hot; it consists of an undifferentiated soup of matter and radiation in thermal equilibrium. This temperature corresponds to an average energy of the particles of about 8.6
MeV (million electron-Volts). The electrons and positrons are in equilibrium with the photons, the neutrinos and antineutrinos are in equilibrium with the photons, antineutrinos are combining with protons to form positrons and neutrons, and neutrinos are combining with neutrons to form electrons and protons. At this stage the number of protons is about equal to the number of neutrons. 2) Time ~ 1/10 Second
Now the temperature has dropped to several times 10 billion Kelvin and the density is a little over 10 million times that of water as the Universe continues to expand. Because a free neutron is slightly less stable than a free proton, neutrons beta decay to protons plus electrons plus neutrinos with a half-life of approximately 17 minutes. Thus, the initial approximately equal balance between neutrons and protons begins to be tipped in favor of protons. By this time about 62% of the nucleons are protons and 38% are neutrons.
The free neutron is unstable, but neutrons in composite nuclei can be stable, so the decay of neutrons will continue until the simplest nucleus (deuterium, the mass-2 isotope of hydrogen) can form. But no composite nuclei can form yet because the temperature implies an average energy for particles in the gas of about 2.6 MeV, and deuterium has a binding energy of only 2.2 MeV and so cannot hold together at these temperatures. This barrier to production of composite nuclei, which allows the free neutrons to be steadily converted to protons, is called the deuterium bottleneck. 3) Time ~ 1 Second
The temperature has dropped to about 10 billion K as the Universe continues to expand, and the density is now down to about 400,000 times that of water. At this temperature the neutrinos cease to play a role in the continuing evolution, but the deuterium bottleneck still exists so there are no composite nuclei and the neutrons continue to beta decay to protons. At this stage the protons abundance is up to 76% and the neutron abundance has fallen to 24%. 4) Time ~ 13.8 Seconds
The temperature has now fallen to about 3 billion K. The average energy of the particles in the gas has fallen to about 0.25 MeV. This is too low for photons to produce electron-positron pairs so they fall out of thermal equilibrium and the free electrons begin to annihilate all the positrons to form photons. The deuterium bottleneck still keeps appreciable deuterium from forming and the neutrons continue to decay to protons. At this stage the abundance of neutrons has fallen to about 13% and the abundance of protons has risen to about 87%. 5) Time ~ 3 Min 45 Sec
Finally the temperature drops sufficiently low (about 1 billion K) that deuterium nuclei can hold together. The deuterium bottleneck is thus broken and a rapid sequence of nuclear reactions combines neutrons and protons to form deuterium, and the resulting deuterium with neutrons and protons to form the mass-4 isotope of helium (alpha particles). Thus, all remaining free neutrons are rapidly "cooked" into helium. Elements beyond helium-4 cannot be formed because of the peculiarity that there are no stable mass-5 or mass-8 isotopes in our Universe and the next steps in the most likely reactions to form heavier elements would form mass-5 or mass-8 isotopes. 6) Time ~ 35 Minutes
The temperature is now about 300 million K and the Universe consists of protons, the excess electrons that did not annihilate with the positrons, helium-4 (26% abundance by mass), photons, neutrinos, and antineutrinos. There are no atoms yet because the temperature is still too high for the protons and electrons to bind together. 7) Time ~ 700,000 years
The temperature has fallen to several thousand K, which is sufficiently low that electrons and protons can hold together to begin forming hydrogen atoms. Until this point, matter and radiation have been in thermal equilibrium, but now they decouple. As the free electrons are bound up in atoms the primary cross section leading to the scattering of photons (interaction with the free electrons) is removed and the Universe (which has been very opaque until this point) becomes transparent: light can now travel large distances before being absorbed.http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/hotbb.html//////// Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted ofSeven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...
in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2),...
... the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which was yet to congeal into a spherical planet) earth.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.