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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined:
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1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day
2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day 3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day 4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day 5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day 6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day 7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day //////////
{Message moved from somewhere it didn't belong, to start a new topic. - Adminnemooseus}
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The real issue here is whether the science people on this site are really Bible Bashers or honestly examining the Age of the Universe and how that information relates to the bible.
Is it a cowardly attack on the ever smaller but still vocal YECs who just misread Genesis as it has come down to their church from the Middle Ages? Or, are the science-savy people here willing to accept that Geology has been used to record the History of the Earth as a series of seven major events marked in stone, i.e.; the rock layers? This thread was moved here because other threads were unconcerned about this issue which supports the Theistic Evolution Bible readers. Those threadsignored the enormous impact of confirming by science that, indeed, Genesis was absolutely correct. It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.
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Admin Director Posts: 13108 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Hi Koh2u,
Since this thread didn't go through a vetting process over at Proposed New Topics I will clearly define the limits of this topic. This thread is for discussing how well the eras described in Message 1 correspond to the creation account in Genesis. Arguments should be based upon facts and evidence. This thread is not for Bible bashing, nor is it for accusing others of being Bible bashers. This thread is not for personalizing the debate. Please stick to the facts and focus narrowly on the topic. Anyone having problems in this thread should post to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread. Edited by Admin, : Typo.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
This thread is not for Bible bashing, nor is it for accusing others of being Bible bashers.
Oh,... good. Let's objectively look first at whether Genesis records in the events of its "days" the things which science tells us actually did happen during those seven Eras. The first Era in both cases corresponds to the initial Big Bang creation of all the existing matter of the cosmos, hurling out into Space/time until the formation of the Earth into a sphere, which marked the late morning of the second Hadean "day." Here is what we might assume a comprehensive modern reading of Gen 1:1 is actually saying:
Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of Seven Stages:1) The Inflation Era 2) The Quark Era 3) Hadron Era 4) Lepton Era 5) Nucleosynthesis Era 6) Opaque Era 7) Matter Era,... in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2),... ... the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which was yet to congeal into a spherical planet) earth. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi kofh,
kfh2u writes: It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution. I have read Genesis chapter 1 in Hebrew, Greek, and English and I can not for the life of me find your seven historical durations as you present them. I do find where "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth". This Heaven and Earth existed at the end of the statement in Genesis 1:1. So where do you find the seven historical durations you are talking about? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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DWIII Member (Idle past 2009 days) Posts: 72 From: United States Joined:
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kofh2u writes:
Those threadsignored the enormous impact of confirming by science that, indeed, Genesis was absolutely correct. It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.
You may want to see EvoWiki's response to this specific claim. At any rate, so-called "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" is, in my opinion, absolutely worthless in and of itself, even if it were the case. That simple observations of nature (i.e. certain causes and effects) recorded by some ancient peoples is hardly earth-shaking; in fact it could be seen to be no more than the primitive beginnings of what we today call science. On the other hand, a certain handful of Old Testament passages have been trumpeted as genuine divinely-inspired scientific foreknowledge, even though most of them comes from what is clearly Hebrew poetry, including the Genesis 1 narrative(!). And, like any poetry, such creative writings are absolutely rife with metaphorical allusions, which themselves could be interpreted in dozens of alternative ways (scientific interpretations being the most strained). Even if a given passage of the Bible is actually relaying accurate scientific knowledge of some sort, exactly how are we to know, except well after the fact of later scientific discoveries??? Note that I do not bash the Bible in saying this, but am merely pointing out the obvious limitations and lack of utility of misusing the Bible in this absurd way. DWIII
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 132 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
Hi, kofh2u. I'm not here to bash the Bible or anything else.
But it seems to me that your argument's burden here is huge. The number 7 is a mystical number not only in Christianity but in other religions and mystical traditions, from Pythagorean numerology to New Age 7-note chords of creation. The Bible itself is replete with 7s, as well as other numbers of sacred significance. So your burden here, as I see it, is to provide an argument for ancient mystical knowledge of seven ages of creation that is so compelling that it eliminates the possibility of mere coincidence. At present, coincidence seems more persuasive. Nor does it seem all that remarkable a coincidence, given how richly endowed Jewish and Christian texts are with sacred and mystical numerology. My older brother has been married 3 times; all of his wives were born on the same month and day (10/3). That's a remarkable coincidence, but it doesn't make me believe in astrology. Why should I believe the ancient authors of Genesis intuited the stages of the Big Bang, a staggering notion, for sure, rather than the more prosaic notion that they simply chose a number with mystical significance to enumerate the days of their creation story?"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
1) I can not for the life of me find your seven historical durations as you present them. 2) I do find where "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth".This Heaven and Earth existed at the end of the statement in Genesis 1:1. 3) So where do you find the seven historical durations you are talking about?
Check the Hebrew word used for "day" so we agree that this term means any appropriate duration as opposed exclusively to a 24 hour duration.The word could mean an Age or even half a day, depending. Hence if we assume that the 24 hour Earth Day did not exist when the creation story begins, it is fair to infer the duration could be eons long if our context suggsest this to be the case: 2) The instant of the Big Bang created all the matter in the universe immediately throug it would be over billions of years before that matter differentiated into specific galaxies, stars, and an Earth.But at the Big Bang, some First Cause did create the heavens and the Earth at that moment. 3) We find the "seven historical durations" marked in the rocks by various events which record the History of the Earth.These are illstrated and even described in the Opening post above. But we read in Genesis about the same events, occurring in the same sequence and time frame but referred to as days. For instance, in Gen 1:9 we read about the first Pangea-like event taking place in the evening of the Archean eon and the dawning of the Proterozoic eon which corresponds to the the third "day" designation in Genesis: Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):
1. North American Plate,2. Pacific Plate, 3. South American Plate, 4. African Plate, 5. Eurasian Plate, 6. Anartic Plate, 7. Australian Plate),... ...and it was so.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
1) "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" is, in my opinion, absolutely worthless in and of itself 2) merely pointing out the obvious limitations and lack of utility of misusing the Bible in this absurd way 3) recordings by some ancient peoples is hardly earth-shaking; in fact it could be seen to be no more than the primitive beginnings of what we today call science. 4) such creative writings are absolutely rife with metaphorical allusions, which themselves could be interpreted in dozens of alternative ways 5) Even if a given passage of the Bible is actually relaying accurate scientific knowledge of some sort, exactly how are we to know,
Stick around for awhile.Your initial naysaying and opinionated position on this subject is exacly why this post was started. Be patient and try to be open to being dead wrong as you are actually will find you are, assuming there is some intellectual integrity to work with here. Also take note of your firm position on this matter before you even heard what Theistic Evolution bible interpretations have to say. That kind of position ties uop a lot of Ego.i It makes it very difficult to be open to other points of view, because human natuire is such as to resist being wrong and will dismiss facts and evidence easily as a defense.
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jar Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but the very chart you provided refutes your assertion.
That seems to be pretty typical behavior. Note that your very own chart says that a day equals a 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1. You really haven't read the Bible, have you?
quote: Seven 24 hour periods. It really is that simple. Your assertion that 'The SEVEN "DAYS" WERE GEOLOGICAL ERAS ' is refuted and I expect you to stop posting falsehoods.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
But it seems to me that your argument's burden here is huge. The number 7 is a mystical number not only in Christianity but in other religions and mystical traditions, from Pythagorean numerology to New Age 7-note chords of creation. The Bible itself is replete with 7s, as well as other numbers of sacred significance. So your burden here, as I see it, is to provide an argument for ancient mystical knowledge of seven ages of creation that is so compelling that it eliminates the possibility of mere coincidence.
I hear U. What you say is really important and most interesting because that is exactly where all this eventually leads. The Genesis story in really an example of using the special numbers which the bible brings to our attention. The twelve Acts-of God in Genesis 1, performed during seven steps of unfolding cosmic evolution present us with an illustration for what the priests called the Urim and Thummim. But that is off topic right now. (You are very intuitive)
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4077 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Note that your very own chart says that a day equals a 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1) Yes, Strong's Concordance first explains that yowm refers to an indefinite duration of time.He then tells us that we are always to deduce the length of the duration by appealing to the context. then, in the ancient but erroneous tradition of assuming the ending and dawning of each phase refers to earthly days of 24 hours, Strong does us the disservice of assuming the context meant in Gen 1 is an Earth Day. But, in the context that these durations are eras long, the Theistic evolution bible reader is equally justified in assuming yowm means an Age. 2) But we also can refer to the scripture that tells us that a day is like a thousand years to god. 3) Additionally, comprehensive readers will note that the 24 hour day is created way later on, in Gen 1:14, when the sun and the moon are assigned authority over the Solar Clock for the first time in the story.Before this event, there could not have been a 24 hour day. But more to the heart of the matter of interpretation, this verse, Gen 1:14, clues us in to realize that the seven cosmic "days" are definitely NOT earth days. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bullshit.
Your own source says that the use in Genesis 1 is a 24 hour day. There is no mention of geologic eras in Genesis 1 and what you post are not geologic eras anyway. Sorry but your idea is just bullshit. It really is that simple.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What you say is really important and most interesting because that is exactly where all this eventually leads. The Genesis story in really an example of using the special numbers which the bible brings to our attention. Numerology is always lame. But in this case what you are insisting on is that the numbers are more important than even the words in the Bible. And in my opinion, you need to provide some reason for that to be true before anyone ought to consider what you say. For example, it is more important to you that there are seven days and seven eras than it is that none of the stuff Genesis says happens on day four is remotely as described whichever era you are claiming corresponds. I am not going to pick which era that is, because there is no rational choice that corresponds. Essentially what you are proposing is this. Somebody made up a story, and the story has seven days in it because there are seven eras in some possible telling of scientific creation. And in essence, my question for you is, give me one good reason to read more of this. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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1. North American Plate,
2. Pacific Plate, 3. South American Plate, 4. African Plate, 5. Eurasian Plate, 6. Anartic Plate, 7. Australian Plate), This is not a complete list of the plates.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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