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bluegenes
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Message 14 of 558 (677934)
11-02-2012 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Alfred Maddenstein
11-02-2012 8:16 AM


Alfred Maddenstein writes:
Besides since bigbangism is a far greater violation of reason than open creationism,- after all, open creationists propose an object they call God, however inconceivable, while bigbangists do not suggest anything but pure nothing as the ultimate source of not just one but all the atoms in existence,.....
"Pure nothing" cannot be a source, as a source is something. The Big Bang is the rapid expansion of something not yet understood into something else.

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bluegenes
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Message 25 of 558 (678045)
11-04-2012 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Alfred Maddenstein
11-04-2012 1:23 AM


There's no such thing as nothing.
Alfred Maddenstein writes:
Blue, have you really studied big-bangism? Are you aware of the articles of your cryptocreo faith?
Something expanding into something else is not what that religion claims is happening, if you don't know that.
There is change, and a "singularity" is not "pure nothing", which was the phrase you used.
What you claim is something unknown expanding into an equally mysterious pre-existing volume.
I described something changing into something else. I don't believe in "pure nothing". And I don't equate the known world with the universe.
Your religion.........
I don't have one, unless you count not believing in nothingness.
........on the other hand, states that it is space itself that is expanding. Nothing pre-exists the process so it is expanding into nothing is your teaching you ignorantly defend.
Are you claiming that when I type "something", I mean "nothing?"
I don't believe in pure nothing existing. The word "nothing" is often used casually to mean "nothing that we know of or understand". No-one is in a position, for example, to declare the absence of dimensions other than those we perceive. To say that the known world comes from a literal or pure nothingness is wrong or unsupported. Only in the casual and literally incorrect sense described above did the known world come from "nothing".
Reality is something, and literal pure nothingness is irrelevant to our attempts to understand it as, logically, it cannot exist in reality.

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