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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It doesn't matter why. The God you have created is evil by your own description. You call Him the Creator of all things seen and unseen, don't you? So he created the horrible diseases that kill innocent children. Stop and think. Why would I create an evil God? Asking why you would create an evil God is like asking why you would rob a bank. Your idea is, "That's a bad thing, so I wouldn't do it." But that doesn't follow.
Phat writes:
That's just empty rhetoric.
The God I worship existed long before you or me Phat writes:
And quotes scripture to back it up:
Second, just because some preacher brayed that the unsaved will suffer eternal torment...quote:(Jesus Himself speaking.) Phat writes:
Which is why I say you make it up. You think you can pray away what you don't like.
I (being Christian) would pray about it. Phat writes:
You answered your own question. I used to believe He was approachable but it turns out He isn't. He's made up.
You claimed that you were once Christian as I am. If so, why do you keep referring back to the character in the book as if He were static and unapproachable? Phat writes:
You said it, I didn't - You're insane. No sane group of people would worship a character in a book if that character was not somehow or in some way alive to them. According to a popular "definition", insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That seems like a pretty good description of believers.
Phat writes:
I quoted the NT Jesus.
As for the OT vengeful God... Phat writes:
Nonsense. When did you ever hear of humans using a lake of fire as a murder weapon? Do we need to lobby for lake-of-fire control? The NRA and the SCOTUS will be calling lakes of fire a "militia weapon".
note that all manners of death were done by humans. It is humans who are responsible...not God. Phat writes:
Who said anything about war? No nation can simply blame God for what they did in a war."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Stop it. Don't pretend that I have never read the Bible.
The Lake Of Fire was created for Satan and the fallen angels.quote:Do I need to go on? Phat writes:
Are you kidding me? Did you just write that? Why are you so worried about a monster God who fries your friends? How could I possibly NOT be concerned about a monster criminal who fries ANYBODY?
Phat writes:
There you go again, pretending I have never read the Bible.
All they have to do is quit following the demons around getting seduced by them *cough* alcohol *cough* and they will never get near such a Lake.quote:Eternal punishment has NOTHING to do with "following demons". Phat writes:
That's what YOU claim. But you have a perverted idea of what it means to "follow Jesus".
Or are you afraid that the only way to steer clear of such a Lake is to be forced to follow Jesus! Phat writes:
Again, are you fucking kidding me? Did you just fucking write that? You want a life where you are free to choose following nobody and sticking with your human friends. And yet you worry that your friends are getting fried. Paranoid much? It's BECAUSE I put my friends before your monster God that I don't want your monster God to fry my friends. HOW on earth is that paranoid?"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Once again, you ignored the entire point of my message. In Message 3130 you claimed that, "The Lake Of Fire was created for Satan and the fallen angels." I pointed out that you were dead wrong.
Ask yourself if any of your "friends" have those qualities. Phat writes:
I knew you were going to say that. In your monumental arrogance, you think your own made-up Jesus is better than the only actual evidence that we have.
I don't limit my perception and definition of this "God character" as what's in the book. Phat writes:
You've deliberately made up a Jesus who is not a monster. Your Jesus does not exist outside your own head. That's what we call "delusion". I've never seen Jesus (God's character) as a monster."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Of course. (What did you think I would say?)
Are you opposed to capital punishment? Phat writes:
Yes. Everybody is entitled to a defense.
Would you defend Hitler? Phat writes:
I have done exactly that in this very forum. If possible, would you be the defense attorney for Lucifer? Do you have a point?"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I'm not "labelling" Him a monster. I'm pointing out that He IS a monster. Yes, He is entitled to a defense, just like that other monster Hitler - but He isn't necessarily entitled to MY defense. Have you ever heard me defend Hitler? Why can't you defend God instead of labeling Him a "Monster"? A better question would be, "Why do YOU defend your monster God? Why do you make up a whole untenable theology to try to defend your made-up monster?"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Your made-up God.
God never sends any human to hell. Phat writes:
Where are you getting this?
God DID prepare a place for the fallen angels, who previously made their own choice. Phat writes:
I already did, just a few posts ago. Matthew 25. He's going to send a lot of people to eternal punishment. Show me how the character in the book, Jesus Christ, is in any way a monster. (See, here I'm defending the low-lifes who don't feed the hungry. They don't deserve eternal punishment either.)
Phat writes:
He isn't "my" Jesus. He's the only Jesus that exists, as a character in a book. And no, He is not in my head. Having a delusion that's only in your own head is a bad thing. Well, *your* Jesus only exists in the book and is nowhere near your head."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
The worst of it is he cherry-picks the parts he likes. One minute he's saying he's "not limited by the book" and the next minute he's quoting the book to back up some point. Would be nice if he knew his bible."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It's entirely different. I only point out what you WOULD do if your belief was sincere.
You do nearly the same thing. One minute you quote Chapter and Verse about what Jesus told his followers to do while the next moment you argue that Jesus never existed the way He is presented in organized religion. Phat writes:
That doesn't follow at all.
If God exists as Father/Son//Holy Spirit in the book and believers are expected to follow such a God then God exists for everyone. Phat writes:
Nonsense. It's plainly written what believers are expected to follow. Your refusal to follow is evidence that you're not a sincere follower.
Otherwise, you have no place to "tell" believers what they are expected to follow. Phat writes:
But I DON'T argue that God exists for you. Quite the opposite. I argue that God DOESN'T really exist for you, or you would do what He wants you to do.
I'm telling you that if you argue that God exists for me, He darn well exists for you regardless of your belief. Phat writes:
That's still just empty rhetoric. God is NOT objective, by any stretch of the immagination - or there wouldn't be so many versions of "God". God is DEFINITELY relative to the individual - or there wouldn't be so many versions of "God".
God is objective. God is NOT relative to the individual. Phat writes:
YOU throw away your empty rhetoric and make a reasoned argument. Throw that belief away!"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But that is NOT the point. The point has nothing to do with whether or not Jesus ever existed. I understand him. He claims that the character does not exist apart from the book. The point is about what YOU believe (And conversely what I do NOT believe.) The point is that IF you really believed in Jesus, you would do what He said; you would TRUST Him to take care of you even if what He told you to do was impractical. You not only do not DO what He said; you SCOFF at what He said. When you scoff at the idea of giving it all up, you are actually scoffing at the idea of Him taking care of you; you are scoffing at Him. And, of course, what He told YOU to do has nothing to do with ME. YOUR belief would direct what YOU do, if you really believed it. YOUR belief does not direct what I do. I'm running out of different ways to say it. I may have to learn Spanish. Maybe you could understand that."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Hitler loved his dog. Now, on the other hand, you *could* claim that Christians have been monstrous and evil, but for every bad instance you gave, I could show a good one."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As i have pointed out to you before, Jesus talked about eternal punishment (Matthew 25), so you can't get Him off the hook that easily. I am talking about Jesus onward...not the OT God."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Matthew 25. Your basic premise fails. Therefore your argument fails. The basic premise is that the yardstick is not the OT God (or written descriptions thereof) but Jesus Himself."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I know because I read the Bible:
How do you know that Jesus was speaking to the people?quote:No demons. "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
EWolf writes:
He didn't "give" His life. It was taken - because He ran His mouth a bit too much. He tried to be clever, claiming and not claiming to be King of the Jews - but He didn't fool the Jews.
Why did He give His life ...? EWolf writes:
No. Isn’t that the basis of why the US separated from England to create a nation whose laws are based on the Bible?"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
NO I do NOT. His life was TAKEN by force. Now who is lying? You know darn well He gave His life!"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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