I Know That God Does Not Exist

Whether he "needs" it or not, the evidence is there. Whether he sees it or not, the evidence is there.

You can be as afraid as you like. Science is never about proof. Again, try to make your argument without using the word 'proof'.

Nonsense. I'd be tickled pink if there was a sky-daddy to fix all my problems for me. And I'd be even pinker if there was an afterlife where I could see all the people again whom I loved in this life. That's your own fault because you're a habitual liar.

The part that's in the Science Forums - i.e. all of it. It doesn't. Unless you can provide citations of scientific papers on that topic. It's not a proof. It's an accumulation of evidence. DNA doesn't produce mutations. DNA is subject to mutations caused by radiation, etc. I meant to say, "Science doesn't deal in proof," and I did say it.

I don't see how it's extrapolating anything, but yes, of course evidence exists independent of any observer. Evidence is not some structure that you build up in your head to support your ideas. The evidence is there - and you can use the evidence to form ideas. Again, I don't see where logic enters into it. The evidence is there and was there, period. We can use logic to operate on the evidence to draw conclusions. Who would think that is not plausible?

Why wouldn't it? Science can discuss anything.

What part of "never" did you not understand? A mutation is defined as a change in the DNA sequence of an organism. You can't "prove" a definition.

How do they do that, exactly? What evidence would they have that would cause them to believe?

We used to have a bakery in town where they baked raisin bread on Sunday afternoons. If i was anywhere near, I'd detour past the bakery to smell it.

Science can't prove anything about anything. How many times do you have to be told?It's as if you're asking if a bus driver can do brain surgery. No, he can't. He can't do ANY kind of surgery. Surgery is not part of a bus driver's purview.

You're being dishonest. You asked Dredge if he compiled evidence and you said that, " Some folks would do exactly that." (Message 3007) Don't try to weasel out now with your "beievers don't need evidence" dogma. YES! Thank God we do that!If the doctor is about to amputate your gangrenous foot, do the want his "inner functions of confirmation" to tell him to remove the healthy foot instead? Or do you want him to follow the evidence? That wasn't my question. Your statement, in Message 3007 was that some folks would compile evidence and I asked how they would do that. I couldn't care less what excuses believers use for skipping the scientific method. That's no mystery. Their first critical thought is, "What do I need to be saved from?" and the answer, given by you believers, is that we need to be saved from God's wrath. So having God save us from God's wrath doesn't even come close to passing the critical thinking test. Put another way, believers take the lazy way out. Both good things. They suggest tentativity.Believers, on the other hand, pick a side without putting a moment's thought into it. "Gimme that old-time religion. It was good enough for mother and it's good enough for me."But you're likely to have picked the wrong one. Why not? What good comes from leaving logic by the wayside? I was, as much as you are. Maybe more-so. (After all, you feel guilty about not following your so-called leader as much as I do.) I don't need to defend anything to you. God decides who is and/or was saved. You don't. You can reverse "being saved" by recognizing the truth - that it's a crock of shit.

Edited by ringo, : Speeling.

The churches I went to as a child (my mother was a Mennonite and my father was Pentecostal) had "baby dedications" which took the place of infant baptism and "believers' baptism" which you would choose voluntarily when you were about twelve. I think mthey had formal classes about what you were supposed to believe but I never took them.I never chose to be baptized (mostly through inertia). Some people really freak out when I tell them I have never been baptized. Then I tell them I don't have a soul. Yeah, that was what did it for me.

That "dusty old book" that doesn't limit you? I have more respect for the Bible than you do. That sounds exactly like you. You say that like it's a bad thing.It's funny how "liberal" and "progressive" have become swear words to you right-wing-nuts.
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Animals have all of that.

A brain surgeon can't fly an F-15. Doesn't mean he's dumb.