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jar
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Message 12 of 50 (334660)
07-23-2006 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
07-22-2006 6:34 PM


Re: inconsistency and false gospel?
Well, for those of us who actually lived through the period in question, the main thrust of the Christian Right was to maintain their Avoidance Schools so little Johnny or little Suzy wouldn't have to go to school with the monkeys. Christian Schools popped up like toadstools, every Baptist Church, every Evangelical Church suddenly had it's own School, and the Tax Exempt status was but one of the issues. The BIG issue was to keep the Evil Government from telling them they had to admit them black kids.

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jar
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Message 14 of 50 (334666)
07-23-2006 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by macaroniandcheese
07-23-2006 10:04 PM


Re: inconsistency and false gospel?
And when exactly did I say it was not about that?
I am simply saying that regardless of what the current crop of Evangelicals and Fundamentalists claim, the reality is that their attention was on keeping their little schools and churches white as Ivory Soap and taxfree havens.
I agree that the Fundamentalist and Evangelicals are masters at revisionist history.

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Message 33 of 50 (336757)
07-30-2006 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by macaroniandcheese
07-30-2006 8:39 PM


Re: inconsistency and false gospel?
Look at the number of Christian Private Schools that were opened as the Civil Rights Acts were passed.

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jar
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Message 41 of 50 (336774)
07-30-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by MangyTiger
07-30-2006 9:07 PM


Religion and the Civil Rights Movement
As with so many things during that period, it was a mess, with people, churches, families, generations split.
I must also say that I can only speak from personal experience and so this should be taken as that.
The religious folk supporting the idea of equal rights for Blacks were mostly Black Christians, White Jews and White members of several of what many here have called the Liberal Churches, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Roman Catholics. I also met a few who were Southern Baptist as well as quite a few Friends and one Amish guy I remember since it was the first time he had ever been away from rural PA and he just couldn't stop talking about "How many people there were."
The people opposing rights for Blacks were almost all, 100% White Christians. Not only did the White Christian Churches (including some from the denominations listed as supporting rights for Blacks) oppose equal rights, They preached against it from the pulpit and they actively tried to avoid the results should Blacks actually succeed in gaining rights like riding on the same bus to school as the white kids or go to the same school or live in the same neighborhood or eat in the same resturant.
The period starting around 1957 saw an amazing growth in private Christian Church Schools. These were the "Avoidance Schools" and nearly every conservative church started one. They popped up like toadstools. The sole purpose of those schools was to make sure little white Johnny or little white Janie didn't have to sit next to some monkey. It was not just a southern phenomena either. The same thing was happening in Chicago and Boston and St. Louis and Newark and Hoboken and Philadelphia and Detroit.
Christians supported equal rights for Blacks. Christians also opposed allowing them to have such rights. And Christians were the more violent opposition, not staying in the courts, but bombing churches and schools, killing marchers, terrifying people in their homes, standing on the side walks and calling for the police to "Loose the dogs" or "Turn on the hoses".
It was some of Christianity's Brightest Hours, and some of the Darkest.

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jar
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Message 47 of 50 (336790)
07-30-2006 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
07-30-2006 9:58 PM


Re: Religion and the Civil Rights Movement
Faith writes:
How many of these churches were Southern churches rather than northern or western? That is, I think this was predominantly a Southern phenomenon, not a Christian phenomenon, but perhaps you can correct me.
No, it was most definitely not just a Southern phenomenon. As I said in the earlier post:
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It was not just a southern phenomena either. The same thing was happening in Chicago and Boston and St. Louis and Newark and Hoboken and Philadelphia and Detroit.
The opposition was not relegated to one area, one sect, one Church. It was in the North and the South and the East and the West. In Boston the people on the streets were as likely to be good Roman Catholics, in Savannah more likely to be good Baptists.

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