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Author Topic:   The Annual War over Christmas -- by christians
Straggler
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Message 36 of 63 (645005)
12-22-2011 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by rueh
12-22-2011 8:40 AM


Re: Happy Holidays celebrates ALL beliefs and traditions.
rueh writes:
I just believe that you should call something what it is.
But "what something is" evolves as cultures change.
Link writes:
King Tut never saw a Christmas tree, but he would have understood the tradition which traces back long before the first Christmas, says David Robson, Extension Educator, Horticulture with the Springfield Extension Center.
The Egyptians were part of a long line of cultures that treasured and worshipped evergreens. When the winter solstice arrive, they brought green date palm leaves into their homes to symbolize life's triumph over death.
The Romans celebrated the winter solstice with a fest called Saturnalia in honor of Saturnus, the god of agriculture. They decorated their houses with greens and lights and exchanged gifts. They gave coins for prosperity, pastries for happiness, and lamps to light one's journey through life.
Centuries ago in Great Britain, woods priests called Druids used evergreens during mysterious winter solstice rituals. The Druids used holly and mistletoe as symbols of eternal life, and place evergreen branches over doors to keep away evil spirits.
Late in the Middle Ages, Germans and Scandinavians placed evergreen trees inside their homes or just outside their doors to show their hope in the forthcoming spring. Our modern Christmas tree evolved from these early traditions.
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rueh writes:
You are already excluding these other cultures by performing a ceremony that is traditionally involved with Christmas.
Traditions evolve and adapt to the cultures in which they take place. Forcing this change might well (possibly understandably) upset those who consider their version of the tradition the "real" tradition.
But adapting traditions to be include members of the culture in which they take place happens naturally anyway.

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
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Message 41 of 63 (645060)
12-22-2011 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by rueh
12-22-2011 10:56 AM


Re: Happy Holidays celebrates ALL beliefs and traditions.
Rueh writes:
That change is what the Christian push back is all about though.
Sure. I get that. Overtly setting out to make change happen will inevitably upset the present occupiers of "the tradition" and cause a kickback from them.
I guess my point is that change is inevitable. And those who consider themselves Paragons of the true tradition now will, in the future, look no different to those who practised earlier version of the tradiction.
Traditions adapt and include or eventually die out. It's almost evolutionary in nature......
Rueh writes:
I have all types of friends in my life who celebrate differing holidays. I try to wish them a happy or merry insert whatever holiday they are celebrating here, instead of a watered down and generic happy holidays though.
Fair enough. I'm not at all Christian but I am happy to celebrate Christmas in a generic cultural sense. And have no problem naming it as such. Some more stringent humanists I know insist on calling it "Yuletide" but frankly I think they are being a bit frikkin precious.
Some Moslems I work with have been celebrating Christmas with us at work in terms of Christmas lunches, parties etc. and (bar one who refused to take any part at all) they don't see any problem with simply going with the cultural flow as long as it isn't overtly Christian worshipful in nature.

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