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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
No they cant. Even a light sensitive cell requires a vast array of biochemicals in the right place and time to function.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: So because we have eyes today that means that they must have evolved? What evidence is there that natural selection can create an eye? Edited by Portillo, : No reason given. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Can you show the evidence that natural selection can create an eye.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Many scientists believe that natural selection is the main mechanism. Whats the problem?
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
You mean Darwins finches? Beaks changing sizes does not prove how an eye was created.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Natural selection proves adaptation and variation within a fundamentally stable species, but it does not prove evolution. "The evolution in action of J. Huxley and other biologists is simply the observation of demographic facts, local fluctuations of genotypes, geographical distributions. Often the species concerned have remained practically unchanged for hundreds of centuries! Fluctuation as a result of circumstances, with prior modification of the genome, does not imply evolution, and we have tangible proof of this in many panchronic species." - Pierre Grasse. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
I will try to answer your question as soon as I can.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: The evidence we would find would probably be some sort of developmental process. But as the fossil record has proven, animals appear suddenly and fully formed. My question is, what is the process that created the eye? Have we seen this process observed in the present? Does the evidence of natural selection (Darwins finches, peppered moths, fruitflys) have anything to do with the process? I dont believe the eye can evolve just as much as I dont think a camera can create itself without intelligence. However the eye is vastly superior to a camera. An eye has to repair itself and is connected to an information processing system. Sources:Darwins Blackbox By Design And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Please, Pressie, stop saying that animals dont appear in the fossil record suddenly and fully formed. The cambrian explosion proves that animals appear suddenly and fully formed. The cambrian explosion has major animal phyla appearing suddenly and fully formed. No gradualism. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: I didnt know that Stephen Jay Gould was a creationist.
The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:
1. Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking pretty much the same as when they disapear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless.
2. Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and "fully formed". Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Silly fantasy indeed. Maybe the ancestors were not fossilized, even though there are billions of fossils. The tree of life that is common to textbooks is actually drawn by the evolutionist. All you have are the leaves, the tree doesnt exist in nature.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
I will try to answer your question as soon as I can.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Gould is right when he talks about sudden appearance and stasis. 100 million year old clam looks just like todays clams. 200 million year old crocodile looks like todays crocodiles. 300 million year old paddlefish looks like todays paddlefish. 50 million year old stingray looks like todays stingrays. 160 million year old squid looks like todays squids. 200 million year old lobster looks like todays lobsters. 300 million year old dragonfly looks like todays dragonflys. 250 million year old cockroach looks like todays cockroaches. 50 million year old beetle looks like todays beetles. 65 million year old bat looks like todays bats. Crickets, scorpians, flies, lizards, centipedes, spiders, termites all look like todays animals. Why didnt trilobites evolve into anything in 200 million years?
Many species were bigger in size in the past and there is variation within fundamentally stable species. But no visible step by step development of earlier forms. This isnt crazy creationism, but is scientifically and positively documented. "The known fossil record fails to document a single example of phyletic evolution accomplishing a major morphologic transition, and hence offers no evidence that the gradualistic model can be valid." - Steven M Stanley, Macroevolution: Pattern and Process And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
There is no such thing as a simple eye. Trilobite eyes for example. Despite evolution claiming that trilobites are primitive creatures, research shows that they had compound eyes. 100 eyes on each side of its head. Some have four lenses on each eye so that they could see with undistorted vision. Incredible complexity and yet one of the first things found in the fossil record. If different types of eyes evolved independently, how can they be traced to a common ancestor? It also doesnt make sense to observe different types of eyes in nature and claim that they present an evolutionary sequence.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: The condescending attitude and insults is pathetic. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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