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Author Topic:   Peanut Gallery - What variety of creationist is Buzsaw? (Minnemooseus and Buzsaw)
Granny Magda
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Message 27 of 48 (639298)
10-30-2011 5:48 AM


Buzsaw writes:
The creationist response to that is that slower moving animals would tend to be in the lower strata and so on until the birds and fast moving creatures able to escape to higher ground would have survived the longest, leaving relatively few fossils in the highest strata of the geologic column
This is one of the all time stupidest things that creationists say, mostly because it is so far removed from reality. Buz has been in this game long enough to know better than dumb stuff like this. Let's take a look at the evidence shall we?
Silurian Period (443.7—416 million years ago)
Silurian Coral
Silurian Fish
Devonian Period 416—359.2 million years ago
Devonian Coral
Devonian Fish
Carboniferous Period 359.2—299 million years ago
Carboniferous Coral
Carboniferous Fish
Permian Period 299—251 million years ago
Permian Coral
Permian Fish
Triassic Period 251—199.6 million years ago
Triassic Coral
Triassic Fish
Jurassic Period 199.6—145.5 million years ago
Jurassic Coral
Jurassic Fish
Cretaceous Period 145.5—65.5 million years ago
Cretaceous Coral
Cretaceous Fish
Paleogene Period 65.5—23.03 million years ago
Paleogene Coral
Paleogene Fish
Neogene Period 23.03—2.588 million years ago
Neogene Coral
Neogene Fish]
Just for the record Buz, fish are considerably more mobile than corals. The stupid idea that nimble creatures are higher in the fossil record than immobile ones really is the height of creationist ignorance. Only someone who knew absolutely nothing about the fossil record could make a claim this wrong. For someone like Buz, who has been having this kind of discussion for years, it really amounts to utterly shameful ignorance to the point of deliberate refusal to learn.
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Message 37 of 48 (639330)
10-30-2011 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
10-30-2011 10:26 AM


Re: Granny's Lotta Yadda
Hi Buz,
In any flood, more mobile creatures survive the longest. No?
Okay fine. Let's just assume that's true.
Your original statement was;
The creationist response to that is that slower moving animals would tend to be in the lower strata and so on until the birds and fast moving creatures able to escape to higher ground would have survived the longest, leaving relatively few fossils in the highest strata of the geologic column
{Bolding mine.}
The corals in my examples were all stationary organisms. The fish were mobile. Despite this, there are fish in all of the different periods, even though the younger periods are higher in the geologic column. That is a direct contradiction of what you predicted.
Want a terrestrial example? Look at the plants in this table;
Look at how the flowering plants seem to have managed the same trick as your agile creatures. They only appear in the higher strata. They raced to the high ground as well! They move pretty quick for vegetables!
Of course they don't, they are in the higher strata because they evolved more recently and the higher strata are more recent. Why else should we only find flowers in rocks that are higher than Jurassic strata? Why else would we only find pines in rocks that overlay Mississippian strata? Why should ginkos be any better at getting away from floods than club mosses?
And why do we see overlapping environments, with marine layers and terrestrial layers alternating, as at the Grand Canyon?
From the floodist perspective, the reason there are relatively few mammal, bird and mankind fossils is that they were the most mobile. That makes sense. No?
No. Frankly it is an explanation so astonishingly naive that it sounds like the answer a child would give.
Your prediction, with faster animals near the top of the geologic column, simply isn't what we see. Instead we see many complex layers of alternating environments, each with biota suited to that environment. We don't see some naive pattern of more agile animals toward the top of the column. It just isn't there outside of creationist fantasies.
You've totally ignored all of my points and analogy in regurgitating fossil dates.
There's no need to appeal to specific dates, we can just use relative dating. The young corals appear higher in the column than the older fish fossils. The flowering plants can't escape a flood any better than any other plant, but they only appear in the higher part of the column relative to horsetails or club mosses. Your prediction is falsified.
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Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.

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